Old Blue 2
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C'mon Bruce, be sensible...
You know all the RS voters would have answered 'In Klippety we trust'!
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C'mon Bruce, be sensible...
You know all the RS voters would have answered 'In Klippety we trust'!
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Her chequers deal will fail the grass roots will vote her put she is toast imo ....
I heard it will go dark before morning , but the Remainers aren't that sure........
Anders_Limpar
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They may want to sell us medicines but if we leave with no deal there seem to be two main issues.
1. The supply chain will obviously be affected if there are day long queues at ports around the country. This would particularly affect temperature controlled medicines.
https://www.pharmaceutical-journal....together/20205237.fullarticle?firstPass=false
2. If we leave with no deal and revert to WTO we can’t get access to the newer ones:
https://www.ft.com/content/41c60134-6411-11e7-8526-7b38dcaef614
I’m sure they would want to sell us as much as possible but the two points above are facts. This doesn’t even get into the issues going the other way about us exporting medicine.
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I get why you think this sounds stupid and unbelievable. What I don’t get though is how anyone can want ‘no deal’. In order for the problems above to be solved (and I agree one hopes they must be) some kind of deal has to be struck (however minor, even if just on medicine and say, aviation) which leads us to the problem as I see it - would you trust this government to do that? At every stage they have proven themselves to be dangerously inept.
What worries me is crashing out on no deal (a full no deal with nothing agreed) not because of choice but through mismanagement.
Prevented democrocy?
How many votes do remainers or the EU want untill they win?
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Yes I took your point, but I didn’t say for business or financial gain.....however all people do a job of work, which lobbyists do, for pay/salary/reimbursement......anyway my point being that there are lots of them chipping away at every level and facet of government.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I think your final sentence says it all, the problem being though is EU intransigence, even Italy is now having a go at the EU in respect of this.....
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Remainers believe it will remain as permanent darkness.....
Anders_Limpar
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Ok cool. So if we do crash out with no deal, you would blame the EU.
In which case - do the implications on a full no deal, crash out not worry you in the slightest?
tsubaki
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So presumably these people, posing as charities but in fact lobbying ministers and asking to be paid for doing so, should be dealt with under the law then?
Socrates
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TraffordBlue
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@peteblue
You are on shaky ground here. The EU has done nothing to keep the peace, that was done by large American and British forces being based in Germany for many years. NATO has preserved the peace. Even now, British forces are based in the Baltic states and the RAF is effectively used as the Air Force for Romania. I agree that when we leave there may be issues, but we have tried and have promised that we are not leaving Europe, just the EU. Even though we offer this guarantee, Brussels throws it in our face...
How am I on shaky ground when for hundreds of years prior to the formation of the European Coal and Steel Community (post WW2) there were Wars across Europe, notably 2 World Wars? Since the 1950's with European Countries agreeing to work together to bring unity across the Region, I don't recall any Wars between England and France, France and Germany, Belgium and Italy. The formation of the EU stabilised the Region in that sense as countries recognised a shared ambition to work together rather than to be better than a rival at any cost. Now we are turning our back on that arrangement (and I will repeat I am not suggesting it will cause a War across Europe) and as a result will have to agree terms that will put us in direct confrontation with a bloc of 27 countries as we're telling them that we can do better on our own. The obvious reply to that from leavers will be that there is nothing wrong with us doing that, but even leavers should be sensible to admit that the EU would be foolish to then give us these great and favourable terms which will humiliate and weaken the concept of the EU?
We are not turning our back on the biggest trading bloc, we will still trade with them. This is the biggest lie of Remainers suggesting that we will just cease trade with the EU. I don’t give a damn about a bloc of 27, we are still the 5/6th biggest economy in the World, we are still one of the two most powerful financial centres in the World and are still the 4th most powerful military as well as being a permanent member of the UN Security Council. We have soft power almost unrivalled across the globe and a network of 53 countries via the Commonwealth who account for about 30% of the worlds population. We actually have quite a lot going for us......
It's not a lie, as I never said that we wouldn't trade with them. We will have to agree new terms though and as we are only the 5th/6th biggest economy trying to take on a bloc of 27 neighbouring countries which happens to include Germany (who have a bigger economy than us) is not going to be this easy task that people like David Davis and Boris Johnson have tried to suggest.
It is not that complicated, 80% has already been agreed, the only complicated bit is the political position being discussed, which will be resolved.....
To say it is not complicated is another tactic by leavers to play down the scale of the task and to label it 'Project Fear'. How is it not complicated? If it's not that complicated why hasn't significant progress been made?
You are on shaky ground here. The EU has done nothing to keep the peace, that was done by large American and British forces being based in Germany for many years. NATO has preserved the peace. Even now, British forces are based in the Baltic states and the RAF is effectively used as the Air Force for Romania. I agree that when we leave there may be issues, but we have tried and have promised that we are not leaving Europe, just the EU. Even though we offer this guarantee, Brussels throws it in our face...
How am I on shaky ground when for hundreds of years prior to the formation of the European Coal and Steel Community (post WW2) there were Wars across Europe, notably 2 World Wars? Since the 1950's with European Countries agreeing to work together to bring unity across the Region, I don't recall any Wars between England and France, France and Germany, Belgium and Italy. The formation of the EU stabilised the Region in that sense as countries recognised a shared ambition to work together rather than to be better than a rival at any cost. Now we are turning our back on that arrangement (and I will repeat I am not suggesting it will cause a War across Europe) and as a result will have to agree terms that will put us in direct confrontation with a bloc of 27 countries as we're telling them that we can do better on our own. The obvious reply to that from leavers will be that there is nothing wrong with us doing that, but even leavers should be sensible to admit that the EU would be foolish to then give us these great and favourable terms which will humiliate and weaken the concept of the EU?
We are not turning our back on the biggest trading bloc, we will still trade with them. This is the biggest lie of Remainers suggesting that we will just cease trade with the EU. I don’t give a damn about a bloc of 27, we are still the 5/6th biggest economy in the World, we are still one of the two most powerful financial centres in the World and are still the 4th most powerful military as well as being a permanent member of the UN Security Council. We have soft power almost unrivalled across the globe and a network of 53 countries via the Commonwealth who account for about 30% of the worlds population. We actually have quite a lot going for us......
It's not a lie, as I never said that we wouldn't trade with them. We will have to agree new terms though and as we are only the 5th/6th biggest economy trying to take on a bloc of 27 neighbouring countries which happens to include Germany (who have a bigger economy than us) is not going to be this easy task that people like David Davis and Boris Johnson have tried to suggest.
It is not that complicated, 80% has already been agreed, the only complicated bit is the political position being discussed, which will be resolved.....
To say it is not complicated is another tactic by leavers to play down the scale of the task and to label it 'Project Fear'. How is it not complicated? If it's not that complicated why hasn't significant progress been made?
Even the Italian far right you mean? Just so we're clear, this does not mean you are racists. That bloke may want to 'cleanse' Italy of gypsies, but that's OK. That in no way reflects on leave voters. It's coincidence that you happen to have rather unsavoury bedfellows.
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I'd settle for being able to name your MEP, an EU law, what Cameron did/did not achieve in his latest negotiation, how the EU parliament, European Council and European Commission works...
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
I would blame the EU Commission, certainly, for not even following its own processes...
“Article 50...
2. A Member State which decides to withdraw shall notify the European Council of its intention. In the light of the guidelines provided by the European Council, the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union. That agreement shall be negotiated in accordance with Article 218(3) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union. It shall be concluded on behalf of the Union by the Council, acting by a qualified majority, after obtaining the consent of the European Parliament.”
At present the Union are neither negotiating, nor taking account of the framework for the UK’s future relationship with the Union.
The implications of a no deal do not particularly worry me....
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