Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
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Joey66 said:
Well We can trade anywhere outside the customs union with agreed lower tarrifs our trade now is dropping with the EU year after year they are on the WTO like us but set the tariffs if items come visit the EU to us that will end......
Business will gain .....
Other countries survive outside the EU .......
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Joey - the question is not can we survive outside the EU, its can we survive outside the EU with this government.
 
peteblue said:
Well you have avoided telling any of us what sort of background you have, relevant or otherwise to whatever is being discussed. So when you do I’ll explain......
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It’s none of your business what my background is and it has no relevance to the discussion.

You’re merely deflecting again, stick to the facts for once.....I gave you some earlier remember ?
 
peteblue said:
That’s why I didn’t ask him about Starmer...he will fully understand it, of course. I think May has far more political nous than Starmer ever will, but she should not be allowed anywhere near the negotiations. Her previous public speeches should have set the goals, from which her ministers should have determined the strategy and policies leading to a negotiation. She has been bounced by the EU into accepting their plan of negotiation and been dragged far to closely into the public detail. She should have remained aloof and retained the ability to say NO.......she should be replaced this month in my opinion.....
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I asked about Starmer as he would be the one who's job it is to know. Abbot will be nowhere near it (it's not her area as Home Sec) and Corbyn would defer to Starmer, who is head and shoulders above anyone in any of the major parties in this area from what I can see.

As for May I'm not sure she does have more political nous than Starmer, and thats not meant as a compliment to Starmer who's experties don't lie in terms of Westminster drudgery. May's strengths lie in her head strong, almost autistic interpretation of information, she's resilient, hard working and consistent (so thrives in a crisis) but has a very limited political nous. Her campaign for election last year was not only one of the most embarrassing election campaigns I've ever seen in terms of her performance, but also the decision making she took. She essentially binned one of the most successful brands in it's field in order to build a campaign round herself. It showed a level of political nous that would be significantly below a 15 year old Etonian intern (and I know said people were aghast with her stupidity).

While she has got bounced by the EU (as she was always going to be, they are far more intelligent, competent, cut throat and brutal than her) that is really only the surface level of her problems. We are now within 6 months of the final deal, and she is still scrambling around trying to develop a clear negotiating position amongst her MP's. Try and go into any negotiation, with anyone, without having first been aware of your own aspirations, goals and limits you want to go to. Then see what happens.

As I've said, if someone worked for me, insisted on going into a negotiation before having clarified where they stood, having not communicate that information effectively (I say effectively, but we can put "at all" in there) and then when the negotiations were drawing to a close was still trying to clarify a position to negotiate from they would have been replaced a long long time ago. The team she worked for would never be left in charge of any negotiation I ever did again either individually or as a collective. Unfortunately not only will none of this be the case, they will allowed to continue to make elementary mistakes in how they are approaching these negotiations but also have a remit to run the country.

There then seems to be a layer of bullheaded cretins who launch their support behind them under the "they're delivering Brexit" without fully grasping the idea that they are greatly undermining it's chances by their incompetency. I will never forgive the Conservative Party or the banal idiots who cheerlead in that manner if they balls up the opportunity of Brexit.

It's never been my party, it never would be (certainly not this incarnation) but there was always a critical respect for the people who ran it. Serious people. They have turned themselves into an utter farce through this process. The fact George Osbourne can't get near any position of leadership says it all.
I think for most moderate people will struggle to forgive them for this shambles if they fail to deliver a miracle in the next 6 months. The clocks ticking.
 
NilSatisOptimum said:
Don't blame you because it's not that experts are welcomed by Brexiteers, we have had enough of them, apparently!
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Well the favourite tame expert of Cameron, Osborne and Remain - Mark Carney governor of the Bank of England, has since apologised for getting all his negative forecasts on the effects of Brexit 'wrong'. He has now come out and said that 'the EU financial system will come off worse in a no-deal Brexit. He has described Britain as the EU's Banker, and his latest comments follow earlier warnings to Brussels that a drawbridge-style block to trade in financial services could have dramatic consequences for the EU. By contrast, the UK financial system is well placed to cope with the immediate aftermath of a no-deal Brexit.
 
Methuselah said:
Well the favourite tame expert of Cameron, Osborne and Remain - Mark Carney governor of the Bank of England, has since apologised for getting all his negative forecasts on the effects of Brexit 'wrong'. He has now come out and said that 'the EU financial system will come off worse in a no-deal Brexit. He has described Britain as the EU's Banker, and his latest comments follow earlier warnings to Brussels that a drawbridge-style block to trade in financial services could have dramatic consequences for the EU. By contrast, the UK financial system is well placed to cope with the immediate aftermath of a no-deal Brexit.
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Still waiting for the link I asked for last week regarding this
 
peteblue said:
I’m sorry, what Industry are you from again.....
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Foot Long Hot Dog said:
What difference does that make to the facts Pete?
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peteblue said:
Well you have avoided telling any of us what sort of background you have, relevant or otherwise to whatever is being discussed. So when you do I’ll explain......
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lol

Imagine demanding relevant personal background in order to take part in what is first and foremost a FOOTBALL forum!

That's a special lack of self-awareness, even by the standards of the Brexit thread.

I mean, adhering to that logic, I've only felt entitled to weigh in on the transfer thread in my standing as a current member of the 2018-19 Everton starting XI - and Peter, I'd always assumed you were Andy Van Der Merde?
 
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