Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

But therein lies the precise point, if we leave with no deal, we can’t simply retain ‘all that doesn’t need to be undone’ we leave the lot, everything, all 759 treaties. The term ‘no deal’ is a clue.

So, apart from reversing the result, how would you tackle this particular task ?.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You will do as you do today, use EU standards for product destined for the EU, South African standards for product destined for South Africa, USA standards for product destined for the American market. We already do it, as does any exporting company.......well apart from those that only ‘export’ around the EU.....

So you’d have a different production line for cars? A different standard for pharmaceuticals? A different set of standards for production of aeronautical parts? So you’d add complexity to your own production lines to create goods to variable standards as a matter of course would you? Really?

 

[roydo]

You will do as you do today, use EU standards for product destined for the EU, South African standards for product destined for South Africa, USA standards for product destined for the American market. We already do it, as does any exporting company.......well apart from those that only ‘export’ around the EU.....

I am not a business man, but if a UK company is currently exporting something, arnt they exporting that under the current EU/Country A trade deal?
If so, and we leave, will Country A still accept our product under the EU deal basis, or will we have to make a new agreement before it could export again?

I honestly dont know, but with your background, what will happen?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So, apart from reversing the result, how would you tackle this particular task ?.......

I’d ensure that the idea of no deal remained exactly where it belongs, nowhere.

However, given that it’s taken May most of our negotiating time since triggering A50 to merely come up with a stance, that even then hasn’t been agreed by her own party even now ffs, she’s on the back foot. She should have never triggered A50 until they had all of their analysis done (which should have been done even before the vote btw) and a unified strategy in place. But as has been the trademark of her tenure she showed political cowardice and set the date to appease the rabid minority. She also foolish set out her ‘red lines’ in that initial speech at Lancaster House, absolute idiocy, and yet more political cowardice.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

You quote the 17.4 million figure a lot Pete. What have they produced between them to show how the country can prosper?

Sound bites and clichés are prospering, free trade deal (no such thing),Brexit means Brexit (well not exactly), red lines (more like pink fudge), it's an endless offering. It's enriched the English language with meaningless fudge by all accounts!

 

[Joey66]

I am not a business man, but if a UK company is currently exporting something, arnt they exporting that under the current EU/Country A trade deal?
If so, and we leave, will Country A still accept our product under the EU deal basis, or will we have to make a new agreement before it could export again?

I honestly dont know, but with your background, what will happen?

Some small business are welcoming the free trade of goods without too much red tape........

 

[roydo]

Some small business are welcoming the free trade of goods without too much red tape........

I am sure they are, red tape especially. But I was asking if I could still export to somewhere that I currently do under an existing EU trade deal, the day after we leave. Not trying to be funny or obtuse, genuinely dont know.

 

[peteblue]

I am not a business man, but if a UK company is currently exporting something, arnt they exporting that under the current EU/Country A trade deal?
If so, and we leave, will Country A still accept our product under the EU deal basis, or will we have to make a new agreement before it could export again?

I honestly dont know, but with your background, what will happen?

Nor me but It depends Roydo, each country/company can do trade deals with another country/company without the EU. The EU negotiate country to country free trade deals. We may well have to make a new agreement with a particular country and that is also true of the EU who may also have to do the same because the U.K. (being such a large market) is no longer part of the deal. Many of these deals may just require tweaks (change EU for U.K.) and even larger more complicated deals can be sorted out by the lawyers quickly if there is willing from both sides, and in very many instances this will be the case. The problems for both the U.K. and EU will be in instances where the current 3rd country, such as New Zealand or Australia will insist that the EU still takes the same amount of product even though the U.K. was their main destination. It’s a ball ache, but everything can be resolved unless someone doesn’t wish it to be. The same will happen with the WTO where one or two countries may think they are able to blackmail or renegotiate tariffs, quantities etc etc, but unless the major economies want all trade to come to a stop, a way through will be found.

In respect of product certification, they will carry EU certification standards, which we will just adopt, and British standards, all of which are currently agreed and understood between trading nations and the trading importing companies. All this talk of job loss etc is smoke and mirrors, this is a massive job creation exercise......

 

[peteblue]

So you’d have a different production line for cars? A different standard for pharmaceuticals? A different set of standards for production of aeronautical parts? So you’d add complexity to your own production lines to create goods to variable standards as a matter of course would you? Really?

We already do.....

 

[peteblue]

I’d ensure that the idea of no deal remained exactly where it belongs, nowhere.

However, given that it’s taken May most of our negotiating time since triggering A50 to merely come up with a stance, that even then hasn’t been agreed by her own party even now ffs, she’s on the back foot. She should have never triggered A50 until they had all of their analysis done (which should have been done even before the vote btw) and a unified strategy in place. But as has been the trademark of her tenure she showed political cowardice and set the date to appease the rabid minority. She also foolish set out her ‘red lines’ in that initial speech at Lancaster House, absolute idiocy, and yet more political cowardice.

The EU negotiators would love you......Mays problem was not sticking with what she said......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Some small business are welcoming the free trade of goods without too much red tape........

What like in a single market with no tariffs that has frictionless trade barriers, like say a customs union, that kind of thing?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

We already do.....

What for those sectors i.e. cars, pharma and aerospace?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The EU negotiators would love you......Mays problem was not sticking with what she said......

I’m sure they wouldn’t.....and yes for once you’re right, but for the wrong reasons.....

 

[roydo]

Nor me but It depends Roydo, each country/company can do trade deals with another country/company without the EU. The EU negotiate country to country free trade deals. We may well have to make a new agreement with a particular country and that is also true of the EU who may also have to do the same because the U.K. (being such a large market) is no longer part of the deal. Many of these deals may just require tweaks (change EU for U.K.) and even larger more complicated deals can be sorted out by the lawyers quickly if there is willing from both sides, and in very many instances this will be the case. The problems for both the U.K. and EU will be in instances where the current 3rd country, such as New Zealand or Australia will insist that the EU still takes the same amount of product even though the U.K. was their main destination. It’s a ball ache, but everything can be resolved unless someone doesn’t wish it to be. The same will happen with the WTO where one or two countries may think they are able to blackmail or renegotiate tariffs, quantities etc etc, but unless the major economies want all trade to come to a stop, a way through will be found.

In respect of product certification, they will carry EU certification standards, which we will just adopt, and British standards, all of which are currently agreed and understood between trading nations and the trading importing companies. All this talk of job loss etc is smoke and mirrors, this is a massive job creation exercise......

More musings then. Pretty much everyday I deliver to businesses at Portbury Dock. The docks basically are used to import an array of cars and vans from the far east, and up to 85000 are there at any one time. I assume cars are exported from there as well, but dont actually know.

They come in, then over time, many, (most? dunno) are trucked all over the UK, and presumably into Europe.

So post us leaving, why would they continue to use that dock as a gateway to the EU? The UK ones, fine. But unless I have missed something, I am not wrong am I?

 

[Joey66]

What like in a single market with no tariffs that has frictionless trade barriers, like say a customs union, that kind of thing?

One small business who voted Out showed the MASSIVE MONTHLY file he had to fill in to fulfill trade he wanted it to be easier in time out of the customs union may help his firm.....