Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

If we end up going down that route I shall enjoy reminding you of your constant dismissal of fact as being some form of conspiracy.

In the meantime you keep your head in the sand mate. Debating this subject with you is utterly futile as you've lost any form of subjectivity as you're a full blown Brexit apostle.

How can you say something like that to Joey without at least admitting that you are a full blown EU apostle.......

 

[peteblue]

If Rees Mogg has read all of the impact analysis and fully examined every scrap of detail around the implications of his chosen path, then why does he spout such ill informed contradictory nonsense? If he has read every document available then he’s a disingenuous liar mate.

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=86919

So how much do you think Corbyn and Abbott may have read and understood.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

How can you say something like that to Joey without at least admitting that you are a full blown EU apostle.......

Easily as it wouldn’t be true, I’m an apostle of fact Pete......

You keeping spouting soundbites and I’ll keep reminding you of the facts.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So how much do you think Corbyn and Abbott may have read and understood.......

Whataboutery again, I’ve no idea, but given that they’re not back seat driving this entire shambles nor spouting absurdities as fact they’re irrelevant in the context of this discussion. No comment on Rees Mogg then?

Shocked.

 

[catcherintherye]

So how much do you think Corbyn and Abbott may have read and understood.......

Starmer will have read it though mate. He is a very well respected QC and streets ahead of May (who if she was negotiating for me would have been sacked a long, long time ago as with most of her colleagues).

 

[peteblue]

Easily as it wouldn’t be true, I’m an apostle of fact Pete......

You keeping spouting soundbites and I’ll keep reminding you of the facts.

No you are not. Numbers have been bandied about on here since before the vote and all can be interpreted in differing ways, as has been proven before. You always chose to interpret them as disadvantageous if we leave the EU, when in fact no one with any certainty actually knows, certainly not you.

You try to claim that those who support Brexit are somehow ‘a cult’ or ‘believers’ while failing to recognise that the exact same words can be used for people like yourself. When an opposite view or interpretation is given you resort to the word ‘whataboutery’ or your new one ‘soundbites’. Perhaps consider, just once, that there are more ways to success than just sticking with what you’ve got and a reluctance to change.

When anyone points out the only known and proven ‘fact’ about Brexit, that 17,400,000 people voted to leave, you rubbish it as though it never happened. Well it did, we are leaving, and you would be better served looking to see how you and the country can prosper outside of the EU rather than trying to erroneously ‘prove’ that we should stay in......

 

[peteblue]

Starmer will have read it though mate. He is a very well respected QC and streets ahead of May (who if she was negotiating for me would have been sacked a long, long time ago as with most of her colleagues).

That’s why I didn’t ask him about Starmer...he will fully understand it, of course. I think May has far more political nous than Starmer ever will, but she should not be allowed anywhere near the negotiations. Her previous public speeches should have set the goals, from which her ministers should have determined the strategy and policies leading to a negotiation. She has been bounced by the EU into accepting their plan of negotiation and been dragged far to closely into the public detail. She should have remained aloof and retained the ability to say NO.......she should be replaced this month in my opinion.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

No you are not. Numbers have been bandied about on here since before the vote and all can be interpreted in differing ways, as has been proven before. You always chose to interpret them as disadvantageous if we leave the EU, when in fact no one with any certainty actually knows, certainly not you.

You try to claim that those who support Brexit are somehow ‘a cult’ or ‘believers’ while failing to recognise that the exact same words can be used for people like yourself. When an opposite view or interpretation is given you resort to the word ‘whataboutary’ or your new one ‘soundbites’. Perhaps consider, just once, that there are more ways to success than just sticking with what you’ve got and a reluctance to change.

When anyone points out the only known and proven ‘fact’ about Brexit, that 17,400,000 people voted to leave, you rubbish it as though it never happened. Well it did, we are leaving, and you would be better served looking to see how you and the country can prosper outside of the EU rather than trying to erroneously ‘prove’ that we should stay in......

You quote the 17.4 million figure a lot Pete. What have they produced between them to show how the country can prosper?

 

[peteblue]

You quote the 17.4 million figure a lot Pete. What have they produced between them to show how the country can prosper?

I did say that it was the actual only known ‘fact’.......I don’t know Bruce, but I would bet that that every exporting company in the U.K. is working on their plans for how to take advantage of any new free trade deals, while also putting in place systems or processes to ensure they can maintain their EU business....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No you are not. Numbers have been bandied about on here since before the vote and all can be interpreted in differing ways, as has been proven before. You always chose to interpret them as disadvantageous if we leave the EU, when in fact no one with any certainty actually knows, certainly not you.

You try to claim that those who support Brexit are somehow ‘a cult’ or ‘believers’ while failing to recognise that the exact same words can be used for people like yourself. When an opposite view or interpretation is given you resort to the word ‘whataboutery’ or your new one ‘soundbites’. Perhaps consider, just once, that there are more ways to success than just sticking with what you’ve got and a reluctance to change.

When anyone points out the only known and proven ‘fact’ about Brexit, that 17,400,000 people voted to leave, you rubbish it as though it never happened. Well it did, we are leaving, and you would be better served looking to see how you and the country can prosper outside of the EU rather than trying to erroneously ‘prove’ that we should stay in......

All of the analysis barring that barmpot Minford has come to the same conclusion though, the only differences are the scale of the self harm.

But I wasn’t referring to the numbers I was referring to the indisputable facts, those facts that are so regularly either completely overlooked or misinterpreted by the likes of Rees Mogg and his band of crash out lunatics.

The referendum result of over 2 years ago was a snapshot of feeling at a point in time, and a yes / no vote didn’t set the terms for tackling the immensely complex task of unwinding 40 plus years of integration, you still brush this off as if it’s nothing, and yet you patently don’t understand much of it, as these discussions have shown.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I did say that it was the actual only known ‘fact’.......I don’t know Bruce, but I would bet that that every exporting company in the U.K. is working on their plans for how to take advantage of any new free trade deals, while also putting in place systems or processes to ensure they can maintain their EU business....

If you’re a U.K. based manufacturer who exports part of your goods to the EU, then to what standard are you going to produce your goods to?

 

[Chewbacca]

Multiple standards? That's really putting red tape to the sword.

 

[peteblue]

All of the analysis barring that barmpot Minford has come to the same conclusion though, the only differences are the scale of the self harm.

But I wasn’t referring to the numbers I was referring to the indisputable facts, those facts that are so regularly either completely overlooked or misinterpreted by the likes of Rees Mogg and his band of crash out lunatics.

The referendum result of over 2 years ago was a snapshot of feeling at a point in time, and a yes / no vote didn’t set the terms for tackling the immensely complex task of unwinding 40 plus years of integration, you still brush this off as if it’s nothing, and yet you patently don’t understand much of it, as these discussions have shown.

Well first and foremost the task is not immensely complex, it is immensely complicated, and what needs to be undone can be, while retaining all that does not require to be undone. There are numerous tasks to be undertaken by a great many people, but it can all be achieved. This is not me ‘brushing it off’, this is me utilising some 40 odd years experience of dealing with large, complex and complicated international projects. All these discussions have shown is that we have two entrenched viewpoints, with the side that lost the vote refusing to back the result and throwing insults at those with the temerity to suggest that the EU is not the be all and end all for our country...

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Well first and foremost the task is not immensely complex, it is immensely complicated, and what needs to be undone can be, while retaining all that does not require to be undone. There are numerous tasks to be undertaken by a great many people, but it can all be achieved. This is not me ‘brushing it off’, this is me utilising some 40 odd years experience of dealing with large, complex and complicated international projects. All these discussions have shown is that we have two entrenched viewpoints, with the side that lost the vote refusing to back the result and throwing insults at those with the temerity to suggest that the EU is not the be all and end all for our country...

But therein lies the precise point, if we leave with no deal, we can’t simply retain ‘all that doesn’t need to be undone’ we leave the lot, everything, all 759 treaties. The term ‘no deal’ is a clue.

 

[peteblue]

If you’re a U.K. based manufacturer who exports part of your goods to the EU, then to what standard are you going to produce your goods to?

You will do as you do today, use EU standards for product destined for the EU, South African standards for product destined for South Africa, USA standards for product destined for the American market. We already do it, as does any exporting company.......well apart from those that only ‘export’ around the EU.....