Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

er - Corbyn doesn't have corporate donors, isn't beholden to the rich and he doesn't have newspaper editors / proprietors demanding a say on policy (lest we all forget who as seen at Downing Street the night before the Chequers summit). The idea that anyone is "pulling his strings" is risible.

That's why there was a failed coo to get rid of him - he can't even get his tax forms in on time and you want him to lead the country - he would have trouble running a bath .....
he is backed like every Labour leader the trade Union movement.....

 

[tsubaki]

Let’s just forget the Unions then eh.........

Pete - do you remember the scandal at the Dorchester earlier in the year, where the mega-rich were touching up the waitresses?

Well, if you gave every Union member in the country ten grand each, it would not be as much money as that controlled by the people on the first two tables at that event - and they back the Tories. That is the level of influence we are talking about here.

 

[Joey66]

Joey he is at levels that no Labour leader has seen since Blair, and that is without having bought Murdoch off.

Also what is it with so many retired people voting Brexit? You've had your cake, and now no-one else gets to eat it. The same phenomena is seen with housing, pensions, job security by the way.

Cake and eat it -don't insult me I retired on ill health - I moved all over the country to get promotions - worked over 35 years non stop long hours - oh and yes I worked in fields in Horticulture the jobs that no UK teenager would do if you listen to remainers - no machinery then either ......
I also gained top management qualifications by being dedicated to get the to job I aspired to from leaving School with only 6 CSE qualifications, and one O level that I was allowed to sit - so please don't lecture me I had it easy........
I started at the bottom hence my favouritism of Trade Unions...... also I still have socialist values....
you cannot go against democracy, and that's what some rich remainers are trying to undo......

 

[peteblue]

Pete - do you remember the scandal at the Dorchester earlier in the year, where the mega-rich were touching up the waitresses?

Well, if you gave every Union member in the country ten grand each, it would not be as much money as that controlled by the people on the first two tables at that event - and they back the Tories. That is the level of influence we are talking about here.

I appreciate that, but the net worth is irrelevant, it’s the money given and the resultant ‘influence’ given that’s the issue, and there is no doubting the Union funding and ‘influence’.......

 

[peteblue]

Joey he is at levels that no Labour leader has seen since Blair, and that is without having bought Murdoch off.

Also what is it with so many retired people voting Brexit? You've had your cake, and now no-one else gets to eat it. The same phenomena is seen with housing, pensions, job security by the way.

That is quite insulting btw. Retired folk have usually already put in 45+ years of work, during times that were harder than today’s. They also invariably have families, children and grandchildren, for whom they would almost certainly give up their lives. To suggest that these people voted for selfish reasons or to deny prosperity to their families is pretty obnoxious tbh.......

 

[orchard]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">See below on what Davis was offered to stop him quitting, from source close to ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/DavidDavisMP?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@DavidDavisMP</a>⁩. Response from Downing St official: “I know nothing about that” <a href="https://t.co/kvXoOyGFlr">pic.twitter.com/kvXoOyGFlr</a></p>&mdash; Robert Peston (@Peston) <a href="">July 9, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[tsubaki]

Cake and eat it -don't insult me I retired on ill health - I moved all over the country to get promotions - worked over 35 years non stop long hours - oh and yes I worked in fields in Horticulture the jobs that no UK teenager would do if you listen to remainers - no machinery then either ......
I also gained top management qualifications by being dedicated to get the to job I aspired to from leaving School with only 6 CSE qualifications, and one O level that I was allowed to sit - so please don't lecture me I had it easy........
I started at the bottom hence my favouritism of Trade Unions...... also I still have socialist values....
you cannot go against democracy, and that's what some rich remainers are trying to undo......

Did you get fifty grand in debt to get those top management qualifications?

 

[orchard]

 

[tsubaki]

That is quite insulting btw. Retired folk have usually already put in 45+ years of work, during times that were harder than today’s. They also invariably have families, children and grandchildren, for whom they would almost certainly give up their lives. To suggest that these people voted for selfish reasons or to deny prosperity to their families is pretty obnoxious tbh.......

Pete, the generation that is retiring today has ensured by its votes that the generation that follows will have to work 45+ years, for a worse pension, whilst having worse job security, they'll find it far more difficult to get (never mind afford to buy) a house, they'll find it much more expensive to get educated, they will have a government that is far more indebted than even the 1979 government was and on top of that will probably have to deal with the start of real climate change.

To suggest that the retired generation voted for selfish reasons or to deny prosperity for their families is offensive (of course many of them didn't vote for it, though nowhere near a majority) but it is what we have ended up with.

 

[davids]

Security was the key at Chequers a one mile car free zone - why waste =your money on a non union Taxi firm anyway.......

But the Conservatives love non union.And I'm sure Special Branch would have taken pity on a man who's spent so much time (4 hours) in hard negotiation with the EU.

 

[Joey66]

Did you get fifty grand in debt to get those top management qualifications?

No they were realistic on the job training with out of hours homework and projects vocational training the university of life - dam hard work ......I also lived on site and bought and sold old housed My wife and I done up with two small children sacrificed holidays got my priorities correct with rewards for hard work........
My daughter has been to University gained a degree and a masters then was struggling for years to get a good job - she has now in Edinborough - my son like me has started work at the bottom , and worked his way up - I know which is the better route to gainful employment is you apply yourself......
If you choose University you only pay your debt back if you gain a top job.......
you call the older generation selfish I may call you envious and Jelous - not nice is it so get back on the the subject of the EU as they are supposed to be making it great for the youth - urm whats the unemployment limke in other Eu countries in the youth population ....
https://www.statista.com/statistics/266228/youth-unemployment-rate-in-eu-countries/

 

[sbbefc]

It's all a bit of a mess isn't it. Time for a second referendum.

 

[orchard]

Ha, has she just ran to the lib-dem's and labour for help???

 

[tsubaki]

If you choose University you only pay your debt back if you gain a top job.......

Nope, you start paying it back at £18,330; above that level they have 9% of your earnings off you.

If you got a job paying £30,000 a year, and assuming your wages kept pace with the interest, it would take around forty six and a half years to pay it (edit: the fifty grand debt) off.

 

[Joey66]

It's all a bit of a mess isn't it. Time for a second referendum.

Then a third then a 4th until you get the vote you want?