Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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tsubaki said:
Nope, you start paying it back at £18,330; above that level they have 9% of your earnings off you.

If you got a job paying £30,000 a year, and assuming your wages kept pace with the interest, it would take forty six and a half years to pay it off.
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Its your choice you signed up to it - I was never on £30K....
my heart bleeds for you.......
I was an outstanding part time student - I was offered a 3 year NDH course - it meant giving up my low paid £14 50p job up - I walked away a very wise move as it turned out.......
 
Joey66 said:
Its your choice you signed up to it - I was never on £30K....
my heart bleeds for you.......
I was an outstanding part time student - I was offered a 3 year NDH course - it meant giving up my low paid £14 50p job up - I walked away a very wise move as it turned out.......
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Noone signed up for it Joey, they weren't given a choice thanks to the votes of their elders who thought that it was perfectly fair to do that (despite them having free education).
 
orchard said:
SNP too...can't see it working myself, especially with all the power grabs she's initiated to facilitate swapping an eu yoke for a US one. The Spiv's a fuming, reportedly. Game on.
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US Ambassador saying that the US-UK trade deal now up in the air, which perhaps should tell everyone what it was going to be like.
 
tsubaki said:
Pete, the generation that is retiring today has ensured by its votes that the generation that follows will have to work 45+ years, for a worse pension, whilst having worse job security, they'll find it far more difficult to get (never mind afford to buy) a house, they'll find it much more expensive to get educated, they will have a government that is far more indebted than even the 1979 government was and on top of that will probably have to deal with the start of real climate change.

To suggest that the retired generation voted for selfish reasons or to deny prosperity for their families is offensive (of course many of them didn't vote for it, though nowhere near a majority) but it is what we have ended up with.
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Well the pension you can pin directly on Brown. The job security aspect I agree with to a degree, but that is also down to a different competitive environment and rapid changes in technology. I disagree with your house buying suggestion because while prices v earnings are higher, the interest paid on previous mortgages was a far higher proportion of income than today (I’ve said before that I was paying 64% of my income on mortgage when I first bought a place). I agree with your education comment and believe it to be a disgrace that students have to pay for education, although far too many go to university. Indebtedness is something my generation lived with for a long time. The climate has always changed, this summer is just like 1976, just a few years after a prediction of a new ice age was promulgated.

You still suggest that voting Leave is voting for denying prosperity, yet the retired generation would never do that to their children.....
 
tsubaki said:
Noone signed up for it Joey, they weren't given a choice thanks to the votes of their elders who thought that it was perfectly fair to do that (despite them having free education).
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My free education was paid day release - a 12 hour day.........
plus loads of homework unpaid it was not as easy as you make out - technical colleges were great, but hard work ....
City and guilds was a four year course.... plus work as well......
 
Joey66 said:
My free education was paid day release - a 12 hour day.........
plus loads of homework unpaid it was not as easy as you make out - technical colleges were great, but hard work ....
City and guilds was a four year course.... plus work as well......
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Joey the bit you are ignoring there is the bit where it says "free". It is no longer free.
 
peteblue said:
Well the pension you can pin directly on Brown. The job security aspect I agree with to a degree, but that is also down to a different competitive environment and rapid changes in technology. I disagree with your house buying suggestion because while prices v earnings are higher, the interest paid on previous mortgages was a far higher proportion of income than today (I’ve said before that I was paying 64% of my income on mortgage when I first bought a place). I agree with your education comment and believe it to be a disgrace that students have to pay for education, although far too many go to university. Indebtedness is something my generation lived with for a long time. The climate has always changed, this summer is just like 1976, just a few years after a prediction of a new ice age was promulgated.
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Brown was a terrible chancellor, but that was mainly because he thought the way to run an economy was to listen to what the City / finance said rather than to actually find out what they were doing. Having a home is unquestionably more difficult now, not only because of the cost of buying a home (especially in the South-East) but also because there are far fewer social housing units. We agree on university education, but the climate change point is not about now, its about in twenty years time when the problems really it.

peteblue said:
You still suggest that voting Leave is voting for denying prosperity, yet the retired generation would never do that to their children.....
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Push this through, with this lot in charge, and that is exactly what they will have done. I can (just) forgive them for voting Tory at the last election - mainly on the grounds that they've always done what they are told - but to ignore the evidence of their own eyes over the past year will be unforgiveable.
 
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