Joey 66 was obviously referring to 'Party Leader' not PM. The only thing I would disagree with is, its not so much Corbyn as the people who lurk in the background pulling his strings.
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Joey 66 was obviously referring to 'Party Leader' not PM. The only thing I would disagree with is, its not so much Corbyn as the people who lurk in the background pulling his strings.
No I am not only if we had a decent Labour leader how can they be struggling v a crap tory government in the polls atm....
Un till Corbyn is removed I will vote for them - now I vote for no one.....
both parties are poor....
Brexit is what I believe in atm.....
as a retired person I still pay in to my Union.... I dropped Unite as can't stand Len Maclustit - yes I was in two Trade Unions even retired.....
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-but that's not an issue with Tories pro- Brexit?
Security was the key at Chequers a one mile car free zone - why waste =your money on a non union Taxi firm anyway.......
What do you mean by believe?
An friend of mine shared this on Facebook earlier, I think it's probably fairly on point:
A few days ago I posted this: "In the coming weeks it seems apparent that May will be removed. While I would like to celebrate this I cannot. It is self evident that there is a grand coup d'etat in play.
Within the Tory Party and Parliament a small but essential part of this coup is been orchestrated and run by the European Research Group. This coup is not however confined to the 80 or so extreme Brexieers of the ERG it is far, far wider.
At the start of June we saw reporting on a ‘leaked’ hour long conversation between Boris Johnson and members of Conservative Way Forward. To suggest that this conversation was ‘leaked’ by anyone else but Johnson himself would be foolish. Tellingly in it he goes to some lengths to praise Donald Trump. Reports that discuss Trump growing frustrated with Theresa May’s “school mistress” tone are no accident, particularly when it is actually followed by Trump failing to name Theresa May as a close ally. And ultimately Trump snubbing her at the G7 summit. Make no mistake, Trump and more importantly those behind the Trump administration want May out. The Trump visit will confirm this. May’s only chance to remain is complete submission to an ultra hard Brexit agenda.
With May removed the path for a new unelected Tory Prime Minister would be cleared. Certainly there would be no general election to validate any new Tory leader. Indeed so long as they can supplant May with an extreme Brexiteer I would be surprised if they even hold a leadership election.
Why is this so important? As the UK enters the final stages of Brexit and the March 2019 deadline for EU withdrawal, the UK could be lead by an unelected Tory Prime Minister with an ultra extreme neo-liberal fundamentalist economic agenda (take your pick Rees-Mogg / Gove / Fox / Johnson it matters not which). They would lead a cabinet stuffed full of acolytes with the same insane fundamentalist views.
Lets be clear they are not seeking any kind of deal with the EU. They of course deny this and blame the EU at every opportunity, this is all part of the deceit. We already know that every single one of these extremists wishes for, indeed desires the hardest of hard ‘no deal’ Brexit.
They all are fully aware that a ‘no deal’ Brexit will push the UK and it’s economy to and beyond the brink (why else would Rees-Mogg Somerset Capital Management (SCM) launched a new investment vehicle in Dublin amid concerns about being cut off from European investors). Understand that a manufactured economic Armageddon is precisely their goal. This is disaster capitalism conspired and delivered on a scale as of yet not seen. This is not about the odd billionaire cashing in on currency hedge bets as Sterling collapses (although this will happen, indeed it already has https://www.bloomberg.com/.../brexit-big-short-how... ). It is not even about the Legatum Institute (currently embedded within May's Brexit team) planning to buy huge tracks of British industry at knock down prices which it can gut and profit from (although this too will happen). This is about nothing less than the dark money billionaires of, amongst others, Koch, Mercer and Murdoch who behind the scenes currently run the Trump administration, forcing the UK into an irreversible and catastrophic US-UK trade deal. A deal where UK sovereignty will effectively be handed over lock, stock and barrel to corporate America, it’s industrial military complex and it’s billionaires.
Currently Trump is acting out a trade war, it is both real and fake. It serves two purposes. First it bolsters Trumps midterm elections. Secondly, to denigrate the EU such that a trade deal with Trumps America will look like our salvation. Certainly in the full grip of an economic crisis it will be hailed as such. However if you believe that the terms of this deal will be up for debate you are delusional. There will be little or no discussion, no parliamentary oversight and certainly no referendum that puts such a deal to the people of the UK. It is nothing less than an economic coup d’etat and like any coup d'etat it will take place without warning, literally overnight.
Understand save a few minor details the terms of the deal have behind closed curtains been mapped out and already agreed. People like Farage and Fox are already at Trump and his administrations table, they have been for some time. The full scale of Fox, Farage and Rees-Mogg treachery should be noted."
====Update===It would seem I might have been on the money
https://www.independent.co.uk/…/brexit-theresa-may-tory-reb…
If Trump gives Mogg/Johnson/Gove/Fox or Farage more credence than May then we will know the real plan is to drive the UK off a cliff so that a catastrophic US-UK deal (TTIP on fascist steroids) can be struck.
A few days ago I posted this: "In the coming weeks it seems apparent that May will be removed. While I would like to celebrate this I cannot. It is self evident that there is a grand coup d'etat in play.
Within the Tory Party and Parliament a small but essential part of this coup is been orchestrated and run by the European Research Group. This coup is not however confined to the 80 or so extreme Brexieers of the ERG it is far, far wider.
At the start of June we saw reporting on a ‘leaked’ hour long conversation between Boris Johnson and members of Conservative Way Forward. To suggest that this conversation was ‘leaked’ by anyone else but Johnson himself would be foolish. Tellingly in it he goes to some lengths to praise Donald Trump. Reports that discuss Trump growing frustrated with Theresa May’s “school mistress” tone are no accident, particularly when it is actually followed by Trump failing to name Theresa May as a close ally. And ultimately Trump snubbing her at the G7 summit. Make no mistake, Trump and more importantly those behind the Trump administration want May out. The Trump visit will confirm this. May’s only chance to remain is complete submission to an ultra hard Brexit agenda.
With May removed the path for a new unelected Tory Prime Minister would be cleared. Certainly there would be no general election to validate any new Tory leader. Indeed so long as they can supplant May with an extreme Brexiteer I would be surprised if they even hold a leadership election.
Why is this so important? As the UK enters the final stages of Brexit and the March 2019 deadline for EU withdrawal, the UK could be lead by an unelected Tory Prime Minister with an ultra extreme neo-liberal fundamentalist economic agenda (take your pick Rees-Mogg / Gove / Fox / Johnson it matters not which). They would lead a cabinet stuffed full of acolytes with the same insane fundamentalist views.
Lets be clear they are not seeking any kind of deal with the EU. They of course deny this and blame the EU at every opportunity, this is all part of the deceit. We already know that every single one of these extremists wishes for, indeed desires the hardest of hard ‘no deal’ Brexit.
They all are fully aware that a ‘no deal’ Brexit will push the UK and it’s economy to and beyond the brink (why else would Rees-Mogg Somerset Capital Management (SCM) launched a new investment vehicle in Dublin amid concerns about being cut off from European investors). Understand that a manufactured economic Armageddon is precisely their goal. This is disaster capitalism conspired and delivered on a scale as of yet not seen. This is not about the odd billionaire cashing in on currency hedge bets as Sterling collapses (although this will happen, indeed it already has https://www.bloomberg.com/.../brexit-big-short-how... ). It is not even about the Legatum Institute (currently embedded within May's Brexit team) planning to buy huge tracks of British industry at knock down prices which it can gut and profit from (although this too will happen). This is about nothing less than the dark money billionaires of, amongst others, Koch, Mercer and Murdoch who behind the scenes currently run the Trump administration, forcing the UK into an irreversible and catastrophic US-UK trade deal. A deal where UK sovereignty will effectively be handed over lock, stock and barrel to corporate America, it’s industrial military complex and it’s billionaires.
Currently Trump is acting out a trade war, it is both real and fake. It serves two purposes. First it bolsters Trumps midterm elections. Secondly, to denigrate the EU such that a trade deal with Trumps America will look like our salvation. Certainly in the full grip of an economic crisis it will be hailed as such. However if you believe that the terms of this deal will be up for debate you are delusional. There will be little or no discussion, no parliamentary oversight and certainly no referendum that puts such a deal to the people of the UK. It is nothing less than an economic coup d’etat and like any coup d'etat it will take place without warning, literally overnight.
Understand save a few minor details the terms of the deal have behind closed curtains been mapped out and already agreed. People like Farage and Fox are already at Trump and his administrations table, they have been for some time. The full scale of Fox, Farage and Rees-Mogg treachery should be noted."
====Update===It would seem I might have been on the money
https://www.independent.co.uk/…/brexit-theresa-may-tory-reb…
If Trump gives Mogg/Johnson/Gove/Fox or Farage more credence than May then we will know the real plan is to drive the UK off a cliff so that a catastrophic US-UK deal (TTIP on fascist steroids) can be struck.
Some people are mental
I believe in democrocy, and and also with voting out - I would like democrocy to win over the people who are trying to stop democrocy......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Now you’re just being petty tbh.......
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er - Corbyn doesn't have corporate donors, isn't beholden to the rich and he doesn't have newspaper editors / proprietors demanding a say on policy (lest we all forget who as seen at Downing Street the night before the Chequers summit). The idea that anyone is "pulling his strings" is risible.
tsubaki
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The problem is that the people who are trying to stop democracy are the people who are doing the negotiating.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
No, I’ve been approached to replace May......
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Let’s just forget the Unions then eh.........
tsubaki
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Joey he is at levels that no Labour leader has seen since Blair, and that is without having bought Murdoch off.
Also what is it with so many retired people voting Brexit? You've had your cake, and now no-one else gets to eat it. The same phenomena is seen with housing, pensions, job security by the way.
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