Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Methuselah]

Do you think NATO is like this, is your army run from the Pentagon?

Well the US put the most money and resource in, unlike wealthy Germany who pay a pittance.

 

[Ruairi77]

All the small nations could all veto it, but it will make no difference. They will all be strong armed, bullied into it. Via economic and tax vehicles....once the U.K. is out, Ireland is totally dependent upon Brussels, as you are furiously burning any bridges you had with the U.K., and you will be told what to do, not asked, told......

Pete, your main drive for leaving is fear of an 'end of days' scenario. All this fear of what might happen.
Gambling a stable economy and country on fears of what might happen seems rash to me.

 

[peteblue]

except for Shengen or the Euro or a load of other programs you didnt want to be in.

But now we are leaving, the second largest economy, the EU can do as they like and just tell the rest to either join or leave, because quite frankly if Ireland, Malta or whoever don’t like it well who actually cares.....

 

[Ruairi77]

Well the US put the most money and resource in, unlike wealthy Germany who pay a pittance.

So they control all the member states armies?

 

[Ruairi77]

But now we are leaving, the second largest economy, the EU can do as they like and just tell the rest to either join or leave, because quite frankly if Ireland, Malta or whoever don’t like it well who actually cares.....

As long as they have a veto, everyone. When they lose that veto, you'll see a lot more about Irexit

 

[peteblue]

Pete, your main drive for leaving is fear of an 'end of days' scenario. All this fear of what might happen.
Gambling a stable economy and country on fears of what might happen seems rash to me.

I don’t have a ‘fear’, I see an opportunity to be ourselves and do what we want, run by people we elect or vote out......

 

[peteblue]

As long as they have a veto, everyone. When they lose that veto, you'll see a lot more about Irexit

The EU has already said it wants to go to majority vote. Can you really not see what is coming.......

 

[peteblue]

As long as they have a veto, everyone. When they lose that veto, you'll see a lot more about Irexit

But the EU won’t care about Irexit, it accounts for almost nothing in either trade or contributions. And Ireland is busily burning any relationship with the U.K., at the behest of the EU, such that you will never leave......

 

[Methuselah]

Talk about an EU Army and tax harmonization is different to it 'going through' as you stated. Ireland have made it clear that both these scenarios would require a referendum as they would mean a change in the constitution. Other member states are in the same situation.
So, no, a European Army or Tax harmonization are not going through.

 

[peteblue]

So they control all the member states armies?

Other than the French, pretty well yes......

 

[Ruairi77]

Listen lads, I dont think the EU will become a super state with one army, you both do. Fair enough.

 

[peteblue]

Listen lads, I dont think the EU will become a super state with one army, you both do. Fair enough.

How do you think the USA came about ? How do you think the U.K. came about ? How do you think Russia or Italy came about?.....

 

[Ruairi77]

How do you think the USA came about ? How do you think the U.K. came about ? How do you think Russia or Italy came about?.....

The difference being that there was a public appetite for those unions. There's no public appetite for a Euro state. I've never met anyone who wants a super state. The most patriotic Europeans get is the Ryder cup. I think you're over reacting.

 

[peteblue]

The difference being that there was a public appetite for those unions. There's no public appetite for a Euro state. I've never met anyone who wants a super state. The most patriotic Europeans get is the Ryder cup. I think you're over reacting.

There was no public appetite for any of those unions, there was a political and ruler appetite....And in terms of the EU I think you haven’t thought this through.......

 

[peteblue]

I see that the 27 have effectively ruled the U.K. out of the Galileo project, insisting that we will have third country access only, and no commercial opportunities.

While our government have told them we will just build our own, they are of course furiously still trying to retain input for a few reasons. Obviously building our own will cost money, and politically it puts the U.K. outside of any close EU/UK military/security framework. On the plus side, it will cost money, which will be spent in the U.K. and some of which will be deducted from our EU bill because we have already spent over £1Bn on the project. We will also have more control over our defensive capabilities and can work this with the likes of Australia to enable full earth coverage.

This is a key moment for our negotiators and is a win if we have the balls to just do it. Tell the EU as a result of their demands we will withdraw from the programme, deduct the money from the leaving bill, tell the EU we are building our own system, tell the EU they will have no access to U.K. overseas territories for base stations, and instruct our satellite and space manufacturers to cease any technology transfer. If we actually stand up to them on this, we will gain in the further trade talks. If we cave in then......