Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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peteblue said:
I see Hungary’s Viktor Orban is having a bit of a go at Brussels at the moment regarding immigration and the threat to Christian Europe.....it’ll be interesting to see how our overlords deal with this impertinent pup.......
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Impertinent pup? This is a man who wants a 'final solution' to the Hungarian gypsy population. Impertinent pup? Ffs Pete, you seem to admire some awful people.
 
peteblue said:
I oppose the EU setting up a rival to NATO, which it would certainly do if it had an EU army, Brussels just couldn’t help throwing its weight around. I do understand the German viewpoint, but as Merkels deputy admitted this week they are very happy to let the USA, UK and France do the dirty work for them.......
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Matters not what you think or what UK or EU on NATO. America wants out of it. NATO has been handing over the reigns of power for some time and is diminishing it's role, a transition is in process. It's all on NATO site, policy etc. Then again they are experts on site, you know Armed forces types so it may not be a good idea. Moreover, its why May made her EU UK speech over defence matters.
 
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Bruce Wayne said:
So he's just a convenient stick with which to beat the EU?
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I was just pointing out the different views and approaches that exist within the EU. It seems that the Western nations and the Eastern nations are not as one on security and immigration issues, so how does it get reconciled within a Schengen arrangement.......
 
peteblue said:
I was just pointing out the different views and approaches that exist within the EU. It seems that the Western nations and the Eastern nations are not as one on security and immigration issues, so how does it get reconciled within a Schengen arrangement.......
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Of course, and for all the rhetoric otherwise, individual nations do maintain a huge amount of individual agency. I don't think the EU are wrong in saying that the events unfolding in Poland, Hungary and to a lesser extent Czech and Austria are not good however. I would certainly hope that Theresa May would join them in those sentiments.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Of course, and for all the rhetoric otherwise, individual nations do maintain a huge amount of individual agency. I don't think the EU are wrong in saying that the events unfolding in Poland, Hungary and to a lesser extent Czech and Austria are not good however. I would certainly hope that Theresa May would join them in those sentiments.
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But isn’t that imposing some form of imperialistic will upon sovereign nations........
 
Gwladysstreetlad said:
You neglect to mentionthe fact that they answer to a leader in Taresa May who is a know remain voter who has the final say on everything. Non of that answers the point You made when you bizarrely blame Brexit itself rather then those who voted for it or the people who implanted it.
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She went before the electorate in a general election as a known remainer. If Brexit had mattered that much to the majority of its vote, it would not have collapsed. The will of the people chose a remain Prime Minister to form a minority Government with the DUP who want the softest of Brexit in any factual reality.
The main opposition despite much excitement that Labour would collapse, incidentally the leader who is on record as voting remain, surged in the election. The will of the people is very clear. Same in Wales same Scotland all Pro remain administrations. At best Brexit is confused with itself.
 
peteblue said:
But isn’t that imposing some form of imperialistic will upon sovereign nations........
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Not really. To use Joe's golf club metaphor, it's saying being part of the EU has certain expectations with regards to human rights, the rule of law, free trade and so on. Just as you wouldn't go to a golf club and pee on the furniture (I presume), nor can Hungary, Poland et al show such flagrant disrespect for the values of the EU (assuming they want to remain in it).

That's no different to any trans-national cooperation (or indeed any cooperation for that matter). You enter into such arrangements with certain expectations on behaviour. If you break those expectations, things don't work.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
For a supposed socialist Joe, you don't half have a habit of supporting a lot of far right people. You know? If it looks like a dog, sounds like a dog...
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Anyone who stands up to thE EU Bruce gets short shrift - they are bully boys end of - they are unelected spokesmen who are being bullish if the other 27 countries leaders were involved we would be making progress - it's not about left or right wing politics it's about money pride and bullyboy tactics from the EU - the U.K. Needs a free view,and global trade and control of our borders to have controlled necessary movement of Labour the deal will go to the wire and both will claim they have won the negotiations!
 
Joey66 said:
Anyone who stands up to thE EU Bruce gets short shrift - they are bully boys end of - they are unelected spokesmen who are being bullish if the other 27 countries leaders were involved we would be making progress - it's not about left or right wing politics it's about money pride and bullyboy tactics from the EU - the U.K. Needs a free view,and global trade and control of our borders to have controlled necessary movement of Labour the deal will go to the wire and both will claim they have won the negotiations!
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So you'd rather support a renowned racist who wants to exterminate a race from his country than an organisation that says that's not on? You're correct though, it's not about left vs right, it's about right vs wrong. I'm just surprised that your hatred of the EU is bringing you down on the side of someone so clearly wrong.
 
Joey66 said:
Anyone who stands up to thE EU Bruce gets short shrift - they are bully boys end of - they are unelected spokesmen who are being bullish if the other 27 countries leaders were involved we would be making progress - it's not about left or right wing politics it's about money pride and bullyboy tactics from the EU - the U.K. Needs a free view,and global trade and control of our borders to have controlled necessary movement of Labour the deal will go to the wire and both will claim they have won the negotiations!
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Germany by itself does more trade with China than we do. Why is that?

We have full control of our borders outside the EU construct. Yet the rest of the world immigration is much higher into the UK than EU immigration. That suggests to me there is not enough total immigration into the UK or is it just about correct as the increased numbers from rest of world make up for it, do you agree?
 
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