Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Joey66]

At least one, and thats me!
Just the will of the people will suffice.

600 plus days and we are still waiting.

They can demand reruns if thats the will of people, even Farage on the eve of the result and more recently called for another Referendum, he since peddled back on that, seem to be the theme of Brexit, peddling backwards.




Not sure Brexit has the moral superiority upper hand on educated rich greedy barstwewards when Rees Mogg Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson et al, sit in its ranks. Indeed, the kettle calling pot black.... So there are no racist in the Brexit leave camp?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

At least one, and thats me!
Just the will of the people will suffice.

The will of the people was to vote out though. And again, just who are you to speak for "the people"?

600 plus days and we are still waiting.

Absolutely nothing to do with the point being discussed. Your bizzare comment remains unexplained.

They can demand reruns if thats the will of people, even Farage on the eve of the result and more recently called for another Referendum, he since peddled back on that, seem to be the theme of Brexit, peddling backwards.

Your just repeating yourself and still not making any sense at all. I'll ask again, Just who are you to speak for "the people"? The question was put to "the people" and they voted out. How about you try and respect their decis- oh forget that lol! Just as if you'll respect "the people's" decision. You don't agree with it so it doesn't matter.

You might not of noticed but Farrarge is not in government mate, nor is he sombody I'd aspire to copy of you want to be taken seriously. Listen to yourself "Farrarge would of asked for one so we can to!" Give me a break. They can demand reruns all they want but it doesn't make them and more legitimate or any less laughable.

Not sure Brexit has the moral superiority upper hand on educated rich greedy barstwewards when Rees Mogg Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson et al, sit in its ranks. Indeed, the kettle calling pot black.... So there are no racist in the Brexit leave camp?

Osbourne was remain, Cameron was remain and Tony Blair was remain. Spare me the false narrative that Brexit was right vs the left because it's about as historically accurate as Harry F'N Potter. I could just as easily say remain had racists in there.

 

[Joey66]

That's why I posted that tit for tat!
Remain to me you should be wary the main protagonist are the big businesses, and the rich!

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And again, just who are you to speak for "the people"?

Your just repeating yourself and still not making any sense at all. I'll ask again, Just who are you to speak for "the people"? The question was put to "the people" and they voted out. How about you try and respect their decis- oh forget that lol! Just as if you'll respect "the people's" decision. You don't agree with it so it doesn't matter.

The same applies to you!

Absolutely nothing to do with the point being discussed. Your bizzare comment remains unexplained.

Unexplained, Brexit that is!

You might not of noticed but Farrarge is not in government mate, nor is he sombody I'd aspire to copy of you want to be taken seriously. Listen to yourself "Farrarge would of asked for one so we can to!" Give me a break. They can demand reruns all they want but it doesn't make them and more legitimate or any less laughable.

Farage was the main protagonist who got the referendum in the first place, loath or love without him there was no EU referendum, he deserves rightful recongnition of his role in the democratic process. And who are you to say people cannot have another rerun because you decree it laughable or legitimate if thats the will of the people then so be it?

Osbourne was remain, Cameron was remain and Tony Blair was remain. Spare me the false narrative that Brexit was right vs the left because it's about as historically accurate as Harry F'N Potter. I could just as easily say remain had racists in there.

How many UK far right wing organisations are in favour of remain, Ill start with the two biggest

British National party? Britain First?

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The same applies to you!

I have never claimed to to be speaking for anyone though unlike you. I simply consider the referndum result a much clearer indication of what "the people" think then any anecdotal opinion you may share.

Unexplained, Brexit that is!

At this stage you are either trolling or just don't have an answer. Either way it's obvious that your not going to explain yourself, because you have no logical explanation to give.

Farage was the main protagonist who got the referendum in the first place, loath or love without him there was no EU referendum, he deserves rightful recongnition of his role in the democratic process. And who are you to say people cannot have another rerun because you decree it laughable or legitimate if thats the will of the people then so be it?

Well of course Fararge deserves credit for forcing that coward Cameron into offering the Referndum as a bribe in the 2015 election and was a major player in the push for a Referndum but I see no reason why we should pay heed to him anymore. He was a useful tool on getting the referendum and now will hopefully be consigned to the dustbin of history.

I have lost track of how many times I've asked you this and not received an answer but let's try again: WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT A SECOND REFERNDUM WOULD BE THE WILL OF "THE PEOPLE"?

Until you can prove its the will of "the people" you have no right to demand anything on their behalf. Demand in your own name if you like but stop pretending you speak for anyone else.

How many UK far right wing organisations are in favour of remain, Ill start with the two biggest

British National party? Britain First?

And how about the left wing organisations that also backed Brexit such as TUSC or how about the current leader of the Labour party a fairly obvious out voter. Do they not suit your agenda? Leave may well of had some undesirables but if you think for even a second that remain didn't have some unpleasant characters voting remain your fooling yourself.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The same applies to you!

Unexplained, Brexit that is!



Farage was the main protagonist who got the referendum in the first place, loath or love without him there was no EU referendum, he deserves rightful recongnition of his role in the democratic process. And who are you to say people cannot have another rerun because you decree it laughable or legitimate if thats the will of the people then so be it?



How many UK far right wing organisations are in favour of remain, Ill start with the two biggest

British National party? Britain First?

Anyway mate. I think it's safe to say that we aren't even to come close to agreeing on this so rather then us both go over ground we've covered several times maybe we should leave it here?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And how about the left wing organisations that also backed Brexit such as TUSC or how about the current leader of the Labour party a fairly obvious out voter. Do they not suit your agenda? Leave may well of had some undesirables but if you think for even a second that remain didn't have some unpleasant characters voting remain your fooling yourself.

I'm not sure Brexit really fits the previous right/left explanation does it? As you say, some parts of both camps voted against type, with Labour voters from smaller towns voting to leave, and Tory voters from bigger cities voting to remain. In that sense, if you're looking for clearer trends, it's cities/countryside or old(er)/young(er), maybe even graduates/non-graduates.

The problem as I see it is that Brexit has been a catch all for such a wide range of discontent and it's resulted in fudging. We see it clearly in Labour as Corbyn attempts to appeal to both metropolitan remainers and northern leavers by saying as little as possible, but it's undoubtedly more damaging in the Tories as they're running this whole thing. We're 600 days into this and there is still no semblance of what kind of Brexit they are really gunning for. This stems from the campaign itself, because it was such a dumbed down in/out vote, people couldn't voice their opinion on just what Brexit meant for them. Was is about migration? Was it about control? Was it about national pride? Was it about trade? Right now it could be all of those (or none of them), and so we've got various parts of the cabinet trumpeting different forms of Brexit and there's no cohesion at all. Even today Merkel said she's still curious as to what kind of Brexit we want.

As it is I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Irish border doesn't result in an 'out' in name only that is something akin to what the Swiss have, and whilst that may have benefits it's hard to imagine it really satisfying either side and simply kicks the can down the road.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I have never claimed to to be speaking for anyone though unlike you. I simply consider the referndum result a much clearer indication of what "the people" think then any anecdotal opinion you may share.

Neither did I , however, you played the normal Briexteer, saw a remainer and genralised, then directed your anger towards remain voter. Think you will find another referendum is much closer than you think as it stands currently, far from anecdotal.

At this stage you are either trolling or just don't have an answer. Either way it's obvious that your not going to explain yourself, because you have no logical explanation to give.

I gave you names of prominent Brexiteers who are now very powerful Ministers who have peddled backwards on their Brexit statement since 23 June 2016, you just would rather blame May Hammond Clarke Soubry, EU, the cat next door anything but Brexit itself.

I have lost track of how many times I've asked you this and not received an answer but let's try again: WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT A SECOND REFERNDUM WOULD BE THE WILL OF "THE PEOPLE"?Until you can prove its the will of "the people" you have no right to demand anything on their behalf. Demand in your own name if you like but stop pretending you speak for anyone else.

The will of the people will decide not you, actually the general election was a good indication on how people expressed their confidence in the Government in delaing with Brexit. Again where did i demand? I implied the will of the people will decide and not Brexit.

And how about the left wing organisations that also backed Brexit such as TUSC or how about the current leader of the Labour party a fairly obvious out voter. Do they not suit your agenda? Leave may well of had some undesirables but if you think for even a second that remain didn't have some unpleasant characters voting remain your fooling yourself.

So is that no, to any UK far right supporting Remain.

 

[peteblue]

I'm not sure Brexit really fits the previous right/left explanation does it? As you say, some parts of both camps voted against type, with Labour voters from smaller towns voting to leave, and Tory voters from bigger cities voting to remain. In that sense, if you're looking for clearer trends, it's cities/countryside or old(er)/young(er), maybe even graduates/non-graduates.

The problem as I see it is that Brexit has been a catch all for such a wide range of discontent and it's resulted in fudging. We see it clearly in Labour as Corbyn attempts to appeal to both metropolitan remainers and northern leavers by saying as little as possible, but it's undoubtedly more damaging in the Tories as they're running this whole thing. We're 600 days into this and there is still no semblance of what kind of Brexit they are really gunning for. This stems from the campaign itself, because it was such a dumbed down in/out vote, people couldn't voice their opinion on just what Brexit meant for them. Was is about migration? Was it about control? Was it about national pride? Was it about trade? Right now it could be all of those (or none of them), and so we've got various parts of the cabinet trumpeting different forms of Brexit and there's no cohesion at all. Even today Merkel said she's still curious as to what kind of Brexit we want.

As it is I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Irish border doesn't result in an 'out' in name only that is something akin to what the Swiss have, and whilst that may have benefits it's hard to imagine it really satisfying either side and simply kicks the can down the road.

Merkel fully understands what we want, she is just attempting to see how Germany could take advantage while ensuring that Germany does not lose trade with the U.K. May is moving them step by step. They have tried bullying and that came to a grinding halt this week. They will, of course, try it again by trying to tie us to EU regulations. The situation is finally clicking with European governments that this is not some David and Goliath negotiation and that whatever the EU bureaucrats want is not necessarily in everyone’s best interests. Everyone wants to look strong, no one wants to look weak, but deals will be done and the U.K. will be fine.........

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Neither did I , however, you played the normal Briexteer, saw a remainer and genralised, then directed your anger towards remain voter. Think you will find another referendum is much closer than you think as it stands currently, far from anecdotal.

I'm really curious as to how you arrived at this conclusion. All I asked you was how you felt qualified to speak for everyone when you said "the people" wanted a second vote. You have avoided answering repeatedly. I'm perfectly awere that many remainers are unhappy with the current situation, 48% of people who voted wanted to remain so clearly the nation is very devided. That does not mean that so many people also want a second Referndum. It is extremely anecdotal. You think I'm angry? Really interested to know how you were able to see though a computer screen and know how anyone is felling. Bemused is more what i was felling while reading you post.

I gave you names of prominent Brexiteers who are now very powerful Ministers who have peddled backwards on their Brexit statement since 23 June 2016, you just would rather blame May Hammond Clarke Soubry, EU, the cat next door anything but Brexit itself.

You neglect to mentionthe fact that they answer to a leader in Taresa May who is a know remain voter who has the final say on everything. Non of that answers the point You made when you bizarrely blame Brexit itself rather then those who voted for it or the people who implanted it.

The will of the people will decide not you, actually the general election was a good indication on how people expressed their confidence in the Government in delaing with Brexit. Again where did i demand? I implied the will of the people will decide and not Brexit.

Again with this? Really? How can you determine what "the people want"? The people were asked and the gave an answer. Thrn you talk about the General Election as though it's some sort of measuring stick over Brexit. News flash, the Tories won. Labour couldn't make up even a minority government if the tried but even if they did so what? Corbyn is know as a closet leave voter so how exactlyis people voting for him further proof that "the people" want another Referndum? You keep talking about "the people" yet you want to ignore them after they gave their answer in 2016 because it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

So is that no, to any UK far right supporting Remain.

No mate, you just had war criminals like Tony Blair backing your side.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

No mate, you just had war criminals like Tony Blair backing your side.

Blair isn't/wasn't a war criminal. Not even close. He was the best politician of his generation and history will be kinder to him.

He was the first British political leader in 400+ years to treat Ireland with respect. His flagship initiatives actually changed millions of lives for the better.

One mistake (to trust the Americans on Iraq) does not make him a monster.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Blair isn't/wasn't a war criminal. Not even close. He was the best politician of his generation and history will be kinder to him.

He was the first British political leader in 400+ years to treat Ireland with respect. His flagship initiatives actually changed millions of lives for the better.

One mistake (to trust the Americans on Iraq) does not make him a monster.

We will have to agree to VERY much disagree about bLiar mate. The man derserve far more contempt then he gets. He deserves to be in a jail cell. The blood on that man's hands is unreal.

 

[peteblue]

Blair isn't/wasn't a war criminal. Not even close. He was the best politician of his generation and history will be kinder to him.

He was the first British political leader in 400+ years to treat Ireland with respect. His flagship initiatives actually changed millions of lives for the better.

One mistake (to trust the Americans on Iraq) does not make him a monster.

The man should be in prison. Let’s also not forget it was John Major who started the peace process......

 

[Joey66]

Blair isn't/wasn't a war criminal. Not even close. He was the best politician of his generation and history will be kinder to him.

He was the first British political leader in 400+ years to treat Ireland with respect. His flagship initiatives actually changed millions of lives for the better.

One mistake (to trust the Americans on Iraq) does not make him a monster.

He and Gearge Bush should have been on trial at The Hague for war crimes - weapons of mass destruction- non there the whole basis for an illegal invasion- the rise of Isis because of the legal war they started without UN backing one big mistake that was !
Billy liar Blair backed him end of !
To defend those pair is rediculous!

 

[peteblue]

I see the European lectures have restarted. Merkel and co saying how stupid we are for voting leave and Verhofstadt etc all suggesting we should stay in and have another vote. These Europeans just don’t get what democracy is about, they invariably treat it with disdain and insist on voting until the populace ‘get it right’. I am so glad that my progeny will not continue to be controlled by this elitist mob........