Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

Germany by itself does more trade with China than we do. Why is that?

We have full control of our borders outside the EU construct. Yet the rest of the world immigration is much higher into the UK than EU immigration. That suggests to me there is not enough total immigration into the UK or is it just about correct as the increased numbers from rest of world make up for it, do you agree?

Indeed, it's strange that German firms have little problem 'trading with the world'. Unless that is the whole ruse is a nonsense that's been largely made up. It's interesting to note that the high skilled visa cap has been hit already this month. The third such month in a row now. It's almost as though the wool has been pulled over people's eyes by politicians blaming AN outsider for their own mess.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

She went before the electorate in a general election as a known remainer. If Brexit had mattered that much to the majority of its vote, it would not have collapsed. The will of the people chose a remain Prime Minister to form a minority Government with the DUP who want the softest of Brexit in any factual reality.
The main opposition despite much excitement that Labour would collapse, incidentally the leader who is on record as voting remain, surged in the election. The will of the people is very clear. Same in Wales same Scotland all Pro remain administrations. At best Brexit is confused with itself.

Nonsense, the electorate didn't chose her as leader did they, because that's not how our system works is it? They just voted as they normally would. You ignore the fact that many of the people who voted for Brexit would never vote for the Conservatives in a million years. Did you think hardline Tories were going to vote Labour because May was for Remain or Labour voter's who voted out would vote for the Conservatives? It was never going to happen.

How is it a suprise to you that they didn't change their voting habits because of Brexit? The reailty was Teresa May did as well as about what any conservative could achieve. I don't think we'll see any majority government going forward for a long time to come. Cameron managed his unexpected majority in 2015 because of the promise of the Referndum. Corbyn can claim he voted remain all he wants but his half hearted campaign and the views he's held his entire political life says otherwise.

The will of Walsh people was remain was It? That must be why the voted out by 52.5% then. Again people weren't going change their voting habits for elections just because of the Referndum.

Brexit itself cannot be confused. It is not a thing, will you please stop using such nonsese descriptions.

 

[Joey66]

Germany by itself does more trade with China than we do. Why is that?

We have full control of our borders outside the EU construct. Yet the rest of the world immigration is much higher into the UK than EU immigration. That suggests to me there is not enough total immigration into the UK or is it just about correct as the increased numbers from rest of world make up for it, do you agree?

No!
Your post are really true of a remoner EU immigration is totally uncontrolled yes?
Outside it is controlled we need imigration as we have a large skill shortage due to our university drive being debated today on subjects and the removal of the vocational skill gap due to the removal of the maintenance funds - too many worthless university degrees in meaningless subject to will not build us houses or take us into the high tech jobs or medical jobs we need UK students to persue - The EU are in the WTO and control our tarrifs we need to get rid of their Polictical dogma yes?......

 

[neil999]

No!
Your post are really true of a remoner EU immigration is totally uncontrolled yes?
Outside it is controlled we need imigration as we have a large skill shortage due to our university drive being debated today on subjects and the removal of the vocational skill gap due to the removal of the maintenance funds - too many worthless university degrees in meaningless subject to will not build us houses or take us into the high tech jobs or medical jobs we need UK students to persue - The EU are in the WTO and control our tarrifs we need to get rid of their Polictical dogma yes?......

who decides what is worthless and what isnt? this also has nothing to do with the EU

 

[Joey66]

who decides what is worthless and what isnt? this also has nothing to do with the EU

It does when our job market is starved a of basic trades needing immigration and we have an affordable housing shortage asking for work permits on EU immigration is no big deal - freedom of movement has to stop the size of a city like Hull coming in every year stains all our country's infrastructure so it was a relevant point!
ATM we need immigration controlled - this can be lessened in years to come !

 

[neil999]

It does when our job market is starved a of basic trades needing immigration and we have an affordable housing shortage asking for work permits on EU immigration is no big deal - freedom of movement has to stop the size of a city like Hull coming in every year stains all our country's infrastructure so it was a relevant point!
ATM we need immigration controlled - this can be lessened in years to come !

big issue this, coming out of the eu wont solve it at all

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It does when our job market is starved a of basic trades needing immigration and we have an affordable housing shortage asking for work permits on EU immigration is no big deal - freedom of movement has to stop the size of a city like Hull coming in every year stains all our country's infrastructure so it was a relevant point!
ATM we need immigration controlled - this can be lessened in years to come !

Back of an envelope calculation here for you Joe. To apply for a visa costs £575. There were roughly 500,000 immigrants last year, of which 230,000 were from the EU. So just taking the EU ones, that adds £130million in costs just for the bureaucracy. That's before you get into the sponsorship costs associated with Tier 2 visa, which range from ~£500 to ~ £1,500 per applicant.

Now think of the staffing costs. Currently, it takes several months to process each visa, so it's perhaps reasonable to assume that they don't have enough staff. How many more staff do you reckon it will take to process double the applicants? What will businesses do if they have to wait several months before the employee they want can start work?

And just to remind you, EU migrants (those that aren't checked) are more likely to have a job, are better educated, less likely to be on welfare or commit crimes, and are usually younger with fewer dependents than non-EU migrants that we check before letting them in.

It's also worth noting that of the 260,000 non-EU migrants that come to Britain each year (having been checked by the government), less than 10% of those come in under the high skills visa.

 

[Joey66]

Back of an envelope calculation here for you Joe. To apply for a visa costs £575. There were roughly 500,000 immigrants last year, of which 230,000 were from the EU. So just taking the EU ones, that adds £130million in costs just for the bureaucracy. That's before you get into the sponsorship costs associated with Tier 2 visa, which range from ~£500 to ~ £1,500 per applicant.

Now think of the staffing costs. Currently, it takes several months to process each visa, so it's perhaps reasonable to assume that they don't have enough staff. How many more staff do you reckon it will take to process double the applicants? What will businesses do if they have to wait several months before the employee they want can start work?

And just to remind you, EU migrants (those that aren't checked) are more likely to have a job, are better educated, less likely to be on welfare or commit crimes, and are usually younger with fewer dependents than non-EU migrants that we check before letting them in.

It's also worth noting that of the 260,000 non-EU migrants that come to Britain each year (having been checked by the government), less than 10% of those come in under the high skills visa.

Why should it be £575 Bruce for a work permit?
Staffing the borders creates employment not the free for all it is now my daughter has been to the EU twicenot one stamped passport rediculous free movement ideal for terrorism its joke try emigrating to Australia or the USA we need a system to contro free movement end of!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Why should it be £575 Bruce for a work permit?
Staffing the borders creates employment not the free for all it is now my daughter has been to the EU twicenot one stamped passport rediculous free movement ideal for terrorism its joke try emigrating to Australia or the USA we need a system to contro free movement end of!

That's how much it costs now Joe. I suspect if the Home Office have to 'manage' the full number of immigrants, that fee will go up considerably, just as fees to process naturalisation applications have.

 

[neil999]

Why should it be £575 Bruce for a work permit?
Staffing the borders creates employment not the free for all it is now my daughter has been to the EU twicenot one stamped passport rediculous free movement ideal for terrorism its joke try emigrating to Australia or the USA we need a system to contro free movement end of!

I suspect that pays for the administration

as for border staff that will be funded by the tax payer, you and me will be paying their wages?

 

[Joey66]

who decides what is worthless and what isnt? this also has nothing to do with the EU

It does as we are short of skills needing immigration the free movement from the EU drives wages down as menial jobs are scarce forcing Zero hour contracts the employer has an easy ride dictating the work pay!

 

[Joey66]

That's how much it costs now Joe. I suspect if the Home Office have to 'manage' the full number of immigrants, that fee will go up considerably, just as fees to process naturalisation applications have.

Still provides proper control, and necessary employment and security Bruce a price worth paying less tha 18 billion membership of the EU!

 

[neil999]

It does as we are short of skills needing immigration the free movement from the EU drives wages down as menial jobs are scarce forcing Zero hour contracts the employer has an easy ride dictating the work pay!

Again not the EU, reduction in workers rights by greedy business. need a government that will stand up to this

 

[Joey66]

Again not the EU, reduction in workers rights by greedy business. need a government that will stand up to this

If you are a socialist cheap labour is never the answer - that is what the EU are sending some of our employers are using accommodation in a barn to deduct drive down wages The EU only our greedy capaltalist are fighting to stay in the status quo as it suits them - a free home market with incentives for a living wage is the answer Corbyn and the Labour Party have been banging on about this for years - a lot of jobs do not reach our job centres advertised by agencies in the EU - So it is very relevant!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Still provides proper control, and necessary employment and security Bruce a price worth paying less tha 18 billion membership of the EU!

How does it provide proper control? I've already said, using any metric you care to mention, the kind of people we attract via free movement are better contributors to British society than those our 'controllers' let in. It's like you go to your doctor and they make you worse, but at least they're doing something.

Again not the EU, reduction in workers rights by greedy business. need a government that will stand up to this

That and there's no evidence that immigration 'drives down' wages. Joe succumbs to the lump of labour fallacy.