Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%

  • Total voters
    1,013
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So every mp should vote how their constituency has voted?
Yes certainly why elect someone to represent you - then go against their own constituency vote?
She will be out the next election anyway hence her screaming orority last night no one in the right mind would vote for a local MP who failed to represent their wishes and she knows this making an excuse before she's booted out!
 
Brexit is like a box of chocolates: you never know what you’re gonna get. The latest surprise is that Downing Street has ruled out staying in the customs union, which allows uninhibited trade in goods within the EU. It follows the leak of the government’s pessimistic assessment of the economic impact of Brexit. The leaked document reinforces the academic consensus on the costs of Brexit and shows that staying in the customs union would be better for the UK economy.

The full report is not yet available to the public. Instead, it was leaked in two instalments. The first shows that Brexit will be economically damaging in every scenario – including the scenario the government says it prefers, which seems to be somewhere between membership of the single market like Norway or a trade deal like Canada. The bottom line is that after Brexit, the UK will be inexorably poorer.

The second instalment showed not only that migration has been beneficial to the UK economy, but also that its Brexit-driven reduction will be costly. To add insult to injury, it also showed that these losses will not be compensated by gains from a free trade agreement with the US. The net benefits from migration may be small but as the leaked report shows they are significantly larger than the gains from free trade agreements with countries on the other side of the globe.

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Immigration is good for the UK economy. shutterstock.com
It will not be at all shocking if there is a third instalment. It may show that EU regulations have been beneficial to the UK (the benefits have long been overlooked). Or maybe that Europe does not need the City of London to sustain high rates of economic growth. Or that there is not a single region in the UK that would clearly benefit and that the ones that will be hurt the most are the ones that voted Leave.

Don’t shoot the messenger?
The choice the government has is how to leave. Leaving like Norway, the report estimates, will make the UK roughly 2% poorer (Nobel-prize winning and economics expert Paul Krugman has written that, in this context, “2% is a lot”). Leaving like Switzerland will make the UK 5% poorer and leaving like Russia, 8% poorer. Unsurprisingly, this last figure is in line with the estimated benefits the UK historically enjoyed from its membership in the EU.

In fact, the leaked scenarios have not moved us an iota away from what we knew pre-referendum. There is mention that a new method was used, but that is highly unlikely. There is no time, energy nor capacity in the civil service to develop a new model amid this chaos.

Read more: Why is the academic consensus on the cost of Brexit being ignored?

Otherwise, there is no meaningful difference between the figures in the leaked report and analysis carried out before the referendum by the Treasury or economists at the LSE, NIESR, or the IFS.

The only thing that is different is that this time the message is coming from the Department for Exiting the European Union, DExEU. And it’s very much in DExEU’s interest to make Brexit work.

Forecasting cliffs
Nonetheless, you may ask: how can we trust these forecasts? One of the key Brexit ministers, the MP Steve Baker, claims that Whitehall economic forecasts are always wrong. Many point to how the UK economy has weathered the Brexit vote and not fallen off the cliff edge that was supposedly forecast.

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A false portrayal of Brexit? shutterstock.com
But the forecasts published in the run up to the Brexit vote have not been disproved. First and foremost this is because the UK has not yet left the EU. When it does, what these forecasts predict is not that the economy will collapse, shrink or self-destroy. They predict that because the UK will grow more slowly and the gap compared to an average EU member (treated as an approximation to a “UK that remained in the EU”) will increase.

This prediction was based on three important assumptions. The first was immediate withdrawal from the EU – this hasn’t happened yet. The second was that the UK government remains stable. The snap election and hung parliament meant this did not happen either.

And the third assumption the forecasts are based on is that the economic performance of the rest of the EU would remain similar to what it was before the referendum. In fact, Britain’s economy has been helped by a buoyant EU and global economy.

So what happens next? Reactions to the leaked report seem to be that those sceptical of the EU – and “experts” – will remain that way. Hard Brexit supporters are keen to undermine the report.

What’s different now compared to before the referendum, though, is that the political and economic elites are no longer on the same side as the media, which was skewed toward Brexit. Although media coverage can still only be described as lukewarm at best, there is now more consensus among political elites against a hard or no-deal Brexit. Moreover, business has said loud and clear that it fully concurs with the conclusions from the leaked report – that the UK needs to stay in the customs union.

Source: https://theconversation.com/the-cos...the-forecasts-explained-by-an-economist-91172
 
But not the referendum result nor her own constituency brilliant democracy at work she is poisen- her interview after the result was to honour the vote the two faced cow!

Joey but there's no public mandate for a "hard brexit". None at all. So she's not going against any will of the people.

The EU referendum was an advisory vote. It was not binding. We elect MPs to vote on our behalf using their judgement. By a small margin the vote was to leave the EU. It was not a vote for economic suicide.

There is no political weight of support for a hard brexit so it will not happen.

Of the 318 Tory MPs no more than 100 would vote for a reckless 'no deal' scenario.

UKIP have as many MPs as the Monster Raving Loony Party. Okay you might also get the votes of the 10 DUP members (but don't mention their stance on rights for women or gay people).

Face it Joey - it ain't happening!
 
Yes certainly why elect someone to represent you - then go against their own constituency vote?
She will be out the next election anyway hence her screaming orority last night no one in the right mind would vote for a local MP who failed to represent their wishes and she knows this making an excuse before she's booted out!

You realise Joey it works both ways?

Kate Hoey is the wonderfully gobby Labour MP that was at the front of the Leave campaign. In her borough of Lambeth 78% voted to remain in the EU. So should she vote now to block Brexit?
 
Bruce the remain culprits warned on many shows and a 8 million pound brochure to every UK household vote out and it's a vote to leave the customs union and the single market - there are many tv interviews of the then PM and Gideon emphersiing this main point - no need to Google the obvious to suggest people who voted out were kept in the dark on those two points is rediculous propaganda by the media Remoaners etc!
 
You realise Joey it works both ways?

Kate Hoey is the wonderfully gobby Labour MP that was at the front of the Leave campaign. In her borough of Lambeth 78% voted to remain in the EU. So should she vote now to block Brexit?
She's not advocating 35 five people should be expelled from her party!
She will pay the price at the ballot box next election!i
Or she may be verified as Out won the democratic vote!
 
Joey but there's no public mandate for a "hard brexit". None at all. So she's not going against any will of the people.

The EU referendum was an advisory vote. It was not binding. We elect MPs to vote on our behalf using their judgement. By a small margin the vote was to leave the EU. It was not a vote for economic suicide.

There is no political weight of support for a hard brexit so it will not happen.

Of the 318 Tory MPs no more than 100 would vote for a reckless 'no deal' scenario.

UKIP have as many MPs as the Monster Raving Loony Party. Okay you might also get the votes of the 10 DUP members (but don't mention their stance on rights for women or gay people).

Face it Joey - it ain't happening!

The laughable thing is that analyses, like that done by the Cabinet Office highlighted recently, are dismissed, despite them almost certainly having been much more thoroughly considered than the vote of any of the electorate. What's more, theses analyses aren't dismissed based upon any rational debate (ie I think they're wrong because xyz), but rather "I think they're wrong just because" or this ridiculous 'project fear' nonsense. It's utterly absurd.
 
Bruce the remain culprits warned on many shows and a 8 million pound brochure to every UK household vote out and it's a vote to leave the customs union and the single market - there are many tv interviews of the then PM and Gideon emphersiing this main point - no need to Google the obvious to suggest people who voted out were kept in the dark on those two points is rediculous propaganda by the media Remoaners etc!

This is from the civil service Joe. They're impartial and there to provide the best advice as they see it. You're letting tribalism cloud your judgement.
 
Joey but there's no public mandate for a "hard brexit". None at all. So she's not going against any will of the people.

The EU referendum was an advisory vote. It was not binding. We elect MPs to vote on our behalf using their judgement. By a small margin the vote was to leave the EU. It was not a vote for economic suicide.

There is no political weight of support for a hard brexit so it will not happen.

Of the 318 Tory MPs no more than 100 would vote for a reckless 'no deal' scenario.

UKIP have as many MPs as the Monster Raving Loony Party. Okay you might also get the votes of the 10 DUP members (but don't mention their stance on rights for women or gay people).

Face it Joey - it ain't happening!
Brexit is to leave the single market, and the customs union - negotiating a deal is a way forwards end off!
If the EU want to mess about they will lose out more than us!
 
Brexit is to leave the single market, and the customs union - negotiating a deal is a way forwards end off!
If the EU want to mess about they will lose out more than us!

They quite clearly won't though as about 50% of the UK's trade is with the EU and about 7% of the EU's trade is with the UK.

No deal is basically the equivalent of the UK cutting their arm off and the EU cutting a finger off. Just because it hurts them as well doesn't mean the UK wins anything.
 
They quite clearly won't though as about 50% of the UK's trade is with the EU and about 7% of the EU's trade is with the UK.

No deal is basically the equivalent of the UK cutting their arm off and the EU cutting a finger off. Just because it hurts them as well doesn't mean the UK wins anything.
45 percent with EU who the block us with outside tarrifs - the single market cost us 10 billion per year to trade - scanderlous!
 
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