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    Votes: 688 67.9%
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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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@peteblue @Joey66

This is a step too far isn't it?!

I think they should have put names and photo’s of every single MP who voted against the government. The way this has been done humiliates the PM and undermines our negotiating position. However I have no problem with parliament voting on the final outcome, but what will be the result ? They can accept it, which means that the EU, our Government and our Parliament are now as one, or they can reject it which means the U.K. is split and the EU probably won’t renegotiate anyway. It just makes the work of our negotiators more difficult......
 
I don't believe that's the intention of most of our MPS. It's going to be nigh on impossible to agree a good deal when the unaccountable EU negotiators know that our parliament can keep sending us back to the table for new terms as often as they want. The current government will be judged by the people at the next election, I trust the people more than our pathetic parliamentarians.


The current government and their Brexit behaviour was judged by the people at the last election as well.

Hence they were unable to form a proper government and have to rely on outside support to prop them up.
 
Hard line Brexit proponents are a lot like:

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That statement is true. The 18 months since the vote has been one of tremendous uncertainty and economic disruption, and we're still no nearer to knowing what kind of relationship we are likely to have when/if we leave. On trade alone, there isn't a single experienced trade negotiator that thinks this will be quick, with most putting the figure at between 5-10 years. That alone equals uncertainty and potential economic disruption.

Indeed, if anything, it was the leave campaign who portrayed that as #projectfear and that this would all be a walk in the park because they need us more than we need them etc. that have been shown to be false.



I fear this could be heading into James O'Brien territory, but what exactly were the concessions he came back with?



We're not discussing whether it was condescending or not, we're debating Joe's accusation that 'both sides told lies'. The pound has gone down in value significantly, therefore prices have gone up considerably. That isn't a lie.

If anything, it was the whole #projectfear nonsense that has been shown up as absurd, so if anyone should be smelling the coffee right now, it's your good self.

You were far too kind in that reply.

Shows how effective the leave campaign was when it’s all come true right in front of their face and they still think it’s lies.
 
I'm questioning the statistical validity of the aforementioned "study".

Frothing at the mouth, aren't you?
No not really when I hear May got a standing ovation for phase one of the talks from that lot - suggest to me they are going to give us a very poor deal - I think a GE will happen or a change of leadership!
 
Apart that they get paid far more and pay less tax , and we dont need them Bruce!

It's not like you to be wrong Joe, but alas...

The standard monthly payment for all MEPs is 7,957 euros (£6,537). It is roughly on a par with a British MP's salary, but when the pound is weak, MEPs earn more than MPs. MEPs also get a flat-rate monthly allowance of 4,299 euros to cover office expenses, such as office rent, phone bills and computer equipment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11725041

I suppose there's a certain poetry to Brexit weakening the pound, which makes MEP pay relatively higher, which in turn makes Brexiteers froth even more.
 
It's not like you to be wrong Joe, but alas...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11725041

I suppose there's a certain poetry to Brexit weakening the pound, which makes MEP pay relatively higher, which in turn makes Brexiteers froth even more.
taxed at 6 % two parliaments its a joke Bruce we need to leave from the democratic vote that took place!
the pensions Bruce even Farage will get £170,000 + per year its a tax burden to us for what we get back !
 
Yes @Bruce Wayne ayne they are so underpaid -
Jean-Claude Juncker grew accustomed to the high life as prime minister of Luxembourg

Jean-Claude Juncker, 61, President of the European Commission

Salary: £245,629 plus a residential allowance of £36,844 and a monthly expense allowance of £1,135. Pension of £52,500 for life from age 65.

Background: Before becoming a president in 2014, Juncker was prime minister of Luxembourg for 18 years and it was there that he grew accustomed to the high life. Luxembourg may be the smallest country in the EU – with a population of 570,000 it is smaller than Glasgow – but it pays its PM more than anyone else: the current incumbent earns £224,000.

Juncker’s office is in Brussels’s Berlaymont building, which has a restaurant on the 13th floor called La Convivialité. And Juncker is certainly convivial. In 2014 he was denounced by his successor as Eurogroup chairman, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, (see below) as “an inveterate smoker and drinker”.

Even more embarrassingly, footage emerged in May of Juncker behaving bizarrely at an EU summit in Latvia last year. He welcomed EU leaders with kisses and slaps, hugged an uncomfortable President Francois Hollande of France, kissed the bald pate of another leader and greeted the Hungarian PM Viktor Orban as “Dictator”.

It would have been a career-ending moment for a democratically elected politician but it appears nothing can stop Juncker serving his five-year term.
 

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Yes @Bruce Wayne ayne they are so underpaid -
Jean-Claude Juncker grew accustomed to the high life as prime minister of Luxembourg

Jean-Claude Juncker, 61, President of the European Commission

Salary: £245,629 plus a residential allowance of £36,844 and a monthly expense allowance of £1,135. Pension of £52,500 for life from age 65.

Background: Before becoming a president in 2014, Juncker was prime minister of Luxembourg for 18 years and it was there that he grew accustomed to the high life. Luxembourg may be the smallest country in the EU – with a population of 570,000 it is smaller than Glasgow – but it pays its PM more than anyone else: the current incumbent earns £224,000.

Juncker’s office is in Brussels’s Berlaymont building, which has a restaurant on the 13th floor called La Convivialité. And Juncker is certainly convivial. In 2014 he was denounced by his successor as Eurogroup chairman, Jeroen Dijsselbloem, (see below) as “an inveterate smoker and drinker”.

Even more embarrassingly, footage emerged in May of Juncker behaving bizarrely at an EU summit in Latvia last year. He welcomed EU leaders with kisses and slaps, hugged an uncomfortable President Francois Hollande of France, kissed the bald pate of another leader and greeted the Hungarian PM Viktor Orban as “Dictator”.

It would have been a career-ending moment for a democratically elected politician but it appears nothing can stop Juncker serving his five-year term.

Who has said they're underpaid? Stop making up stuff for you to then complain about.
 
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