Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Neiler]

Maybe it has, but everyone knew it was a U.K. vote. The EU has majority voting where some countries don’t like the result, indeed Poland and Austria are point blank refusing to take refugees ‘allocated’ to them. I much rather the democracy as practiced in the U.K. than the EU bureaucratic diktats .....

But there is no such thing as a UK vote mate, it’s an English vote really. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have no Democratic right to oppose Brexit if England chooses to accept it, it’s an English vote really and the rest are also rans. That is autocratic rule.

I accept your point on European law, that said countries can hold referendums on treaties were European law and treaties are in conflict with constitutional law. All the European courts also don’t have supremacy over all domestic courts either,

I just find it fascinating that no one ever talks about the disenfranchised element of voting in the UK. It’s clearly undemocratic. For it to be considered a democracy why not give each nation 25% of the overall vote proportionally to the tally when it comes to UK issues like Brexit.

 

[abelard]

But there is no such thing as a UK vote mate, it’s an English vote really. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have no Democratic right to oppose Brexit if England chooses to accept it, it’s an English vote really and the rest are also rans. That is autocratic rule.

I accept your point on European law, that said countries can hold referendums on treaties were European law and treaties are in conflict with constitutional law. All the European courts also don’t have supremacy over all domestic courts either,

I just find it fascinating that no one ever talks about the disenfranchised element of voting in the UK. It’s clearly undemocratic. For it to be considered a democracy why not give each nation 25% of the overall vote proportionally to the tally when it comes to UK issues like Brexit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But there is no such thing as a UK vote mate, it’s an English vote really. Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland have no Democratic right to oppose Brexit if England chooses to accept it, it’s an English vote really and the rest are also rans. That is autocratic rule.

I accept your point on European law, that said countries can hold referendums on treaties were European law and treaties are in conflict with constitutional law. All the European courts also don’t have supremacy over all domestic courts either,

I just find it fascinating that no one ever talks about the disenfranchised element of voting in the UK. It’s clearly undemocratic. For it to be considered a democracy why not give each nation 25% of the overall vote proportionally to the tally when it comes to UK issues like Brexit.

They should have opened it up to anyone living in the UK.

 

[Neiler]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_independence_referendum,_2014

I accept that, but as is often the case the sequal may be more interesting, I think there is a general consensus that had Brexit been a reality or even a conceived possibility, the vote would be less marginal for the yes vote.

Scotland voted without seeing all the cards they were dealt.

I think the 25% idea is an interesting one, likely the most democratic, it’s just an outside opinion, I’d say most in here were raised in England and all the obvious bias and inequalities reinforced in that vacuum as the norm.

 

[Neiler]

They should have opened it up to anyone living in the UK.

lol

 

[Number_25]

Do us all a favour, put Brexit in the bin.

What a horrendous mistake.

 

[Ron Swanson]

To better represent the nations it should've required unanimity from all four. For leave to get their 'victory' they would have to get a majority in England, Scotland, Wales and NI. This would've avoided the whole clusterf*ck about the NI border that seemed to barely get a mention when the campaigning was going on.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

We're making a right mess of this aren't we?

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Had to laugh whilst listening to Radio 5's debate show this morning.

They had a panel of Leave voters to discuss how they all felt it was going.

Each and every one made a great effort to say they weren't racists and actually loved foreigners. Just not in this country.

All then fixed on "Sovereignty" and how really the Leave vote was all about rejecting all the EU bureaucracy and having such unelected people hammer us with dodgy EU laws that we don't want and cannot challenge. The interviewer then asked a series of individuals which EU laws they specifically had a problem with. Silence. After about 5 minutes the best that came back was "well I'm sure if you asked a solicitor that voted to Leave they could name some. We're just normal working people".


Jesus wept.

 

[Joey66]

Had to laugh whilst listening to Radio 5's debate show this morning.

They had a panel of Leave voters to discuss how they all felt it was going.

Each and every one made a great effort to say they weren't racists and actually loved foreigners. Just not in this country.

All then fixed on "Sovereignty" and how really the Leave vote was all about rejecting all the EU bureaucracy and having such unelected people hammer us with dodgy EU laws that we don't want and cannot challenge. The interviewer then asked a series of individuals which EU laws they specifically had a problem with. Silence. After about 5 minutes the best that came back was "well I'm sure if you asked a solicitor that voted to Leave they could name some. We're just normal working people".


Jesus wept.

17.4 million people are racist then!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Had to laugh whilst listening to Radio 5's debate show this morning.

They had a panel of Leave voters to discuss how they all felt it was going.

Each and every one made a great effort to say they weren't racists and actually loved foreigners. Just not in this country.

All then fixed on "Sovereignty" and how really the Leave vote was all about rejecting all the EU bureaucracy and having such unelected people hammer us with dodgy EU laws that we don't want and cannot challenge. The interviewer then asked a series of individuals which EU laws they specifically had a problem with. Silence. After about 5 minutes the best that came back was "well I'm sure if you asked a solicitor that voted to Leave they could name some. We're just normal working people".


Jesus wept.

Now, if you comment on such things, you're accused of sneering or elitism.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Had to laugh whilst listening to Radio 5's debate show this morning.

They had a panel of Leave voters to discuss how they all felt it was going.

Each and every one made a great effort to say they weren't racists and actually loved foreigners. Just not in this country.

All then fixed on "Sovereignty" and how really the Leave vote was all about rejecting all the EU bureaucracy and having such unelected people hammer us with dodgy EU laws that we don't want and cannot challenge. The interviewer then asked a series of individuals which EU laws they specifically had a problem with. Silence. After about 5 minutes the best that came back was "well I'm sure if you asked a solicitor that voted to Leave they could name some. We're just normal working people".


Jesus wept.

That's absolutely standard mate. Here's another example on the brilliant James O'Briens show

 

[Charlie Sweet]

17.4 million people are racist then!

I didn't say that. I made a post before where I suggested a great proportion of that number of Leave voters were conned by the right-wing media. You also had a huge number of protest votes where nobody thought it would ever happen.

It is though pretty hilarious (if it wasn't so important) that people can try and claim they hate EU laws but not know the first thing about them!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I didn't say that. I made a post before where I suggested a great proportion of that number of Leave voters were conned by the right-wing media. You also had a huge number of protest votes where nobody thought it would ever happen.

It is though pretty hilarious (if it wasn't so important) that people can try and claim they hate EU laws but not know the first thing about them!

Unelected bureaucrats is my favourite one, like we elect Simon Stevens or any of the senior civil servants in this country rather than them being appointed (and accountable) to the people we do elect, which is just like it is in the EU.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Unelected bureaucrats is my favourite one, like we elect Simon Stevens or any of the senior civil servants in this country rather than them being appointed (and accountable) to the people we do elect, which is just like it is in the EU.

It's pure ignorance and being lead by the nose by Tories with their own agenda, a vote against the establishment just lol