Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Neiler]

dont be to confident as everything can change!

Of course mate, but that doesn’t make it likely.

I can’t see it mate, Britain ave largely been compliment in stance to what Europe has dictated you get the sense that Brexit is not something either the English negotiators or the English Toaiseach really wants. I think if they were to reverse now it would 1) bring down the English Government, 2) Britain would loose any credibility in any negotiation. Hopefully it wouldn’t spark any Violence in the North, which wouldn’t help the public face of the English government or their negotiations at this stage.

 

[Joey66]

I vaguely recall the period, but was too young to vote, and didnt exactly follow the campaigns at all. But was the opposite of that ^^^promised wouldnt happen, or was it a result of the UK being in a chronic state anyrate?

No it was the loss of the special deal we had with all commonwealth countries tradewise cheap butter chep new Zealand lamb etc - the country's industry was in a mess due to a 3 day week nationalised industries that have now disappeared, but all in all the cost of living the NHS was in better state than what it is now - LA had no social issues - not blaming that on the EU but tax wise and cost of living wise certainly YES!
you noticed it in the shops the hike in VAT replacing purchase TAX was a big hit - also the purchase tax went into the government coffers VAT went straight into paying our EU overpriced membership!

 

[Ruairi77]

How long do you think it will be before the EU ‘harmonises’ it’s tax rates, seriously, one year, two or three max.......

Unless it’s 12.5% Ireland will use its veto, so not any time soon, I’d imagine. That’s why it hasn’t happened in the Eurozone since the introduction of the single currency. This is also why there won’t be a single EU military replacing national militaries

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Answer the question where you around n that era where VAT was introduced low purchase tax went and the food shot up in the shops only the farmers gained!
Oh and our fishing industry wiped out!

It was me who was asking the question and you've swerved it. What lies were told by Heath in 1974?

 

[Ruairi77]

I also give three big explanations in my reply- Food prices rocketed once we left the commonwealth - joining the common market - Purchase tax was at 3-9% depending on what luxury goods you purchased replaced by VAT that increased just to pay the EU budget { Common market in those early days}
Our fishing industry was decimated - we have been held to ransom since!

I also wasn’t around then, what commonwealth did the UK leave?

 

[Joey66]

I also wasn’t around then, what commonwealth did the UK leave?

The trading block!

 

[Joey66]

It was me who was asking the question and you've swerved it. What lies were told by Heath in 1974?

How fantastic it was going to be cheap food etc -no warning about the VAT hike in tax now -at 20%
On 1 January 1973 the UK joined the European Economic Community and as a consequence Purchase Tax was replaced by Value Added Tax on 1 April 1973. ... In July 1974, Labour Chancellor Denis Healey reduced the standard rate of VATfrom 10% to 8% but introduced a new higher rate of 12.5% for petrol and some luxury goods.
Purchase Tax was a tax on 'luxury' goods sold in the UK from 1940[1] until 1973.[1]

On 21 October 1940, during World War II, Purchase Tax was introduced at a rate of 33 1⁄3% as a tax on sales of "luxury" goods in order to reduce the deemed wastage of raw materials.
Basically if you were not rich you never paid much purchase tax!
A true socialist taxation system!

At various times the tax was set at different rates depending the government-determined degree of "luxury"[2] of the item.[3]

In preparation for joining the European Economic Community (EU)[4] on 2 April 1973 Purchase Tax was abolished and replaced by Value Added Tax (VAT) at a rate of 10%, shortly to be lowered to 8%.[3]

 

[Joey66]

Of course mate, but that doesn’t make it likely.

I can’t see it mate, Britain ave largely been compliment in stance to what Europe has dictated you get the sense that Brexit is not something either the English negotiators or the English Toaiseach really wants. I think if they were to reverse now it would 1) bring down the English Government, 2) Britain would loose any credibility in any negotiation. Hopefully it wouldn’t spark any Violence in the North, which wouldn’t help the public face of the English government or their negotiations at this stage.

Seeing it from an Irish point of view I agree with you - a soft border that was always the aim , but the DUP have already stated they want a better say in it all - it's when we leave the single market in the rest of the UK and customs union in the next realm of talks is were it may get rocky imo!
I cannot see the EU giving us full access to the single market free, and we need to leave the customs union to get worldwide trade!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I vaguely recall the period, but was too young to vote, and didnt exactly follow the campaigns at all. But was the opposite of that ^^^promised wouldnt happen, or was it a result of the UK being in a chronic state anyrate?

And to be honest, given Joe's track record with facts, I would take his claims with a dose of salt.

 

[Joey66]

And to be honest, given Joe's track record with facts, I would take his claims with a dose of salt.

At least I don't need google links to win a point of view as my claims I might as well christen you Vince Cable or Nick Clegg
But Bruce Google Wayne is more nicer, and accurate lol

 

[peteblue]

Unless it’s 12.5% Ireland will use its veto, so not any time soon, I’d imagine. That’s why it hasn’t happened in the Eurozone since the introduction of the single currency. This is also why there won’t be a single EU military replacing national militaries

I think you will find that both France and Germany want this, the U.K. will be out of the loop and only Ireland will disagree. Veto or not, a way will be found to force it through. I would not bet my house on this not happening.......

 

[peteblue]

It was me who was asking the question and you've swerved it. What lies were told by Heath in 1974?

He said we would not lose our Sovereignty nor Independence. He knew of course exactly what he was signing us up for......

 

[jal123]

At least I don't need google links to win a point of view as my claims I might as well christen you Vince Cable or Nick Clegg
But Bruce Google Wayne is more nicer, and accurate lol

You are the most pig-headed, obnoxious bellend on these boards.

Google links, or backing up your statements with facts and research is about as far removed from your posts as is possible, you barely literate buffoon.

I'll take my ban mods, and soz, but this absolute weapon is burning my head out.

 

[peteblue]

I vaguely recall the period, but was too young to vote, and didnt exactly follow the campaigns at all. But was the opposite of that ^^^promised wouldnt happen, or was it a result of the UK being in a chronic state anyrate?

We were in a chronic state. The unions had basically destroyed the country, but we were still suspicious of the Europeans. De Gaulle had rejected our membership, while he forced through the CAP, then willingly accepted us after it had been adopted as a way to pay for it. We gave away our fishing and basically agreed to just keep giving Europe money. We did improve, but that was more to do with Thatcher than the EEC. It was a hard graft, hard times, and we all paid the price, but we got where we are through our own hard work and achievements and not through anything the EEC/EU did......

 

[peteblue]

You are the most pig-headed, obnoxious bellend on these boards.

Google links, or backing up your statements with facts and research is about as far removed from your posts as is possible, you barely literate buffoon.

I'll take my ban mods, and soz, but this absolute weapon is burning my head out.

Harsh. It’s just a debate between very different and disparate individuals who see things through very different eyes........