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So about the same as the cost per household of being in the EU.......
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So about the same as the cost per household of being in the EU.......
I dont know. I do know that the process of leaving the EU has weakened the pound leading to cheaper exports and more expensive imports. This has led to an overall increase in the cost of living. This is not a forecast, this is what's happening.
As for a forecast, simply put, I don't think the UK economy will be as strong outside the single market as it is inside it.
Old Blue 2
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Obfuscation again Bruce.
The best analogy I can give of forecasting, is urinating into the wind, and saying in advance which direction said urine will go. On many occasions, it may come back and hit you...
roydo
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Seems an odd thing to vote for then.
Is it that temperature in Gotham city Bruce?
Old Blue 2
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I think you are fairly new to this thread, Ron, so I will say again for your benefit.
The £350 million per week was an EQUIVALENT sum of the cost of an NHS Hospital. It was NOT any kind of commitment, because both campaigns were just that - campaigns. They had no executive authority to enact laws of the land, nor to allocate or apportion funds from the Treasury.
Too many people are still hung up about the £350 million 'commitment', when in fact it was never a commitment, but an equivalent figure. And a gross figure outwards at that (pre rebates, which brought the actual amount going directly to the EU as somewhat less).
This has all been covered before ad infinitum, but I repeat it here for your benefit, as none of us can plough through 1,372 pages to find it in times past.
Old Blue 2
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Who voted for forecasting. I think you are getting somewhat confused, roydo.
roydo
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Not at all. You are saying economic forecasts are usually wrong. I agree, even if the trend is vaguely reliable.
So what economic benefits will be felt post brexit?
hang on, are you for remaining or leaving?
Old Blue 2
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To whom it may concern (i.e. recent posters)
Forecasting is, by its very nature, a shot at saying what will happen in the future. Sometimes it is based on past trends, sometimes on present trends, sometimes on the total guesswork of the individual.
The bottom line, folks, is that no one knows what the state of the nation will be like in 1, 5, 10 years time. THAT is my point regarding forecasts.
Now if you can't understand that, go join Bruce in a cave somewhere (only kiddin', Bruce!
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Forecasting is, by its very nature, a shot at saying what will happen in the future. Sometimes it is based on past trends, sometimes on present trends, sometimes on the total guesswork of the individual.
The bottom line, folks, is that no one knows what the state of the nation will be like in 1, 5, 10 years time. THAT is my point regarding forecasts.
Now if you can't understand that, go join Bruce in a cave somewhere (only kiddin', Bruce!
)
Old Blue 2
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How you can compose that sentence against what I wrote completely escapes me.
roydo
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To whom it may concern (i.e. recent posters)
Forecasting is, by its very nature, a shot at saying what will happen in the future. Sometimes it is based on past trends, sometimes on present trends, sometimes on the total guesswork of the individual.
The bottom line, folks, is that no one knows what the state of the nation will be like in 1, 5, 10 years time. THAT is my point regarding forecasts.
Now if you can't understand that, go join Bruce in a cave somewhere (only kiddin', Bruce!
I fully understand that mate. Spent a career in investment and that.
So no need to be condescending.
I just dont understand why an intelligent person who shares the same opinion as me on economic forecasts can even contemplate voting to leave the largest single market with absolutely no idea of the economic effect on the UK. Ir frankly baffles me.
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Exactly. As if voting Leave isn't inherently an enormous gamble based on a particularly ill-informed bout of economic forecasting.
Claiming that we don't literally know exactly what will happen in the future is too obvious to merit restating. But we can make informed assessments based on available evidence. Governments do this, central banks do this, corporations do this, investors do this, and everyday consumers do this. Just like my "Are we going to win the league?" analogy, or Bruce Wayne's weather reports.
If you insist, no, I don't literally know that we are not going to win the league, so to speak. But at this point, Brexit is in akin to betting the house that we will. If you won't consider the clear and abundant indications that this is going to be a very bad thing - to say nothing of the clear and abundant evidence that it is and has already been a bad thing - you're deluding yourself.
The lack of honesty and engagement on behalf of Leave here is quite telling.
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I wasn't being condescending, I was stating a fact, that some in this thread didn't appear to grasp.
If you are referring to me voting to leave, then I have stated my case before. So rather than appear to be condescending again, I will not repeat it.
Is the EU the largest single market in the world? I don't know, enlighten me. And the market scenario is not the reason for me voting to leave. Do you really think that was the only thing? Certainly not with those of my generation, I believe. We have seen the movement from a 'market' scenario to a European Nation State scenario. Where unelected officials from minor states dictate to us what we can and cannot do. If that sits easy with you, fine, go live in the EU post-Brexit. But it's not for me, and the other part of the 52% who voted leave...
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