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[roydo]

Is the EU the largest single market in the world?

With no trade barriers, yes.

Where unelected officials from minor states dictate to us what we can and cannot do

We can, or could, veto anything our ELECTED officials wanted to.

Certainly not with those of my generation

Thanks mate. Gamble with the kids future. Nice.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Exactly. As if voting Leave isn't inherently an enormous gamble based on a particularly ill-informed bout of economic forecasting.

Claiming that we don't literally know exactly what will happen in the future is too obvious to merit restating. But we can make informed assessments based on available evidence. Governments do this, central banks do this, corporations do this, investors do this, and everyday consumers do this. Just like my "Are we going to win the league?" analogy, or Bruce Wayne's weather reports.

If you insist, no, I don't literally know that we are not going to win the league, so to speak. But at this point, Brexit is in akin to betting the house that we will. If you won't consider the clear and abundant indications that this is going to be a very bad thing - to say nothing of the clear and abundant evidence that it is and has already been a bad thing - you're deluding yourself.

The lack of honesty and engagement on behalf of Leave here is quite telling.

And its a load of testicles to say 'The lack of honesty and engagement on behalf of Leave here is quite telling.' The honesty about the why we voted the way we did has been plastered all over this thread many, many, times throughout its (now) long history. To suggest otherwise is totally disingenuous on your part, abelard.

 

[orly]

I wasn't being condescending, I was stating a fact, that some in this thread didn't appear to grasp.

If you are referring to me voting to leave, then I have stated my case before. So rather than appear to be condescending again, I will not repeat it.

Is the EU the largest single market in the world? I don't know, enlighten me. And the market scenario is not the reason for me voting to leave. Do you really think that was the only thing? Certainly not with those of my generation, I believe. We have seen the movement from a 'market' scenario to a European Nation State scenario. Where unelected officials from minor states dictate to us what we can and cannot do. If that sits easy with you, fine, go live in the EU post-Brexit. But it's not for me, and the other part of the 52% who voted leave...

'Appear to be'

 

[Old Blue 2]

Thanks mate. Gamble with the kids future. Nice.

Since when has it been gambling with the kids future? Those of my generation, as has been stated, but always ignored by the leave voters including yourself, Bruce, and a host of others, know what it is like not to be shackled by the EU. We have lived through the lot under the Common Market and through to its present form. It is US who are looking to the future for the kids, and them not being dictated to by distant Europeans who do not have our interests at heart for a second (my opinion only). It is YOU and your kind who are 'stick-in-the-muds', who are afraid of change, who want to maintain the status quo, because there is an over-riding fear of a future that may actually be a little challenging. You and the others are a product of what has become known as the nanny state. Thank God I'm not!

 

[Old Blue 2]

'Appear to be'

I was accused of it. You have just practised it...

Now, over to you while you get in a snot with your next post to me...

 

[roydo]

Since when has it been gambling with the kids future?

Well you have said time after time after time that no one knows the economic impact of leaving. Good, or Bad.

In my book, that equates to a gamble. But not with "your generation", whatever that means.

 

[orly]

I was accused of it. You have just practised it...

Now, over to you while you get in a snot with your next post to me...

Angry and aggressive response, or condescending and meritless response.

Have you ever thought about branching out beyond these two styles?

 

[roydo]

It is YOU and your kind who are 'stick-in-the-muds',

Nice.

 

[orly]

Well you have said time after time after time that no one knows the economic impact of leaving. Good, or Bad.

In my book, that equates to a gamble. But not with "your generation", whatever that means.

Oh god, don't get him started on books.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Yea @Ron Swanson remember the bus?
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happy thanksgiving everyone

Great photoshopping, but let's not let the truth get in the way of a jolly joke (as in the above), eh...???

 

[Old Blue 2]

Angry and aggressive response, or condescending and meritless response.

Have you ever thought about branching out beyond these two styles?

Now you turn on me with accusations. What's the matter with you...?

 

[Old Blue 2]

Nice.

That is how those who voted remain are perceived. Sorry, but it is. Leave everything the same; don't change anything. Hence my posting a Byrds song a few posts back.

By the way, roydo, I love the fume from others (not you in this case) when I start posting what I believe in. orly is pure entertainment for me tonight as usual, before I head off soon to watch a live match.

 

[roydo]

Great photoshopping, but let's not let the truth get in the way of a jolly joke (as in the above), eh...???

Nice graph, and a powerful message to the target audience.

Trouble is, its only half the story.

Post a graph showing the share of GDP that is generated by being in the single market, then that post has some credence.

I will give you a clue. Its way more than £350m a week.

That is what you have gambled with.

 

[orly]

That is how those who voted remain are perceived. Sorry, but it is. Leave everything the same; don't change anything. Hence my posting a Byrds song a few posts back.

By the way, roydo, I love the fume from others (not you in this case) when I start posting what I believe in. orly is pure entertainment for me tonight as usual, before I head off soon to watch a live match.

Problem is mate, you think this works. 'Hee hee, I'll leave another condescending comment then scarper, he'll sit there for hours fuming!!!'. Unfortunately, I have been around the great game a bit too long for that. You're not entertained at all, you're doing your usual passive fuming thing, a little spiteful comment here, a borderline comment there.

Roydo has had you on toast. Perhaps he should ghost-write your next book?

 

[roydo]

That is how those who voted remain are perceived. Sorry, but it is

Your perception.

My perception of those that voted leave is that each had their own reason to do so. Be it yours, youngsters in northern towns blaming immigration, fishery folk fed up with that, borderline racists, all sorts.

Not a problem with any of them.

But I am not a stick in the mud. Neither am I a reckless gambler. You may be led to a golden sunny upland of a new UK. I wasnt to prepared to gamble the Uk's future. You were.