Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Ron Swanson]

Nothing has changed.....apart from our increased sales in manufacturing and exports....oh and unemployment keeps falling....and...

I think the average town is less likely to have noticed increased manufacturing and exports, and more likely to have seen their household bills increase dramatically in price. They’ve suddenly noticed that their yearly holiday to the costa del sol isn’t as cheap. And all the while they’re probably wondering why the nhs is still failing despite what the red bus told them, and why there’s still a Polish food section in Tesco*

Also, countering the manufacturing export gains are the rising costs of importing raw materials and (for some) the struggle to find people to fill vacancies.

*without any awareness of the irony that their shopping basket contains pizza, past, curry, and a chicken and black bean stir fry.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Everyone is telling the same tale.....


“UK manufacturing output growth accelerated in the three months to November – with orders at their strongest for nearly 30 years.

According to the CBI’s latest survey of the sector, total orders were their strongest since 1988, with a significant improvement in food and drink and chemicals.

Export order books were the joint highest in more than 20 years, with a notable strengthening in chemicals, electronics and the transport sectors. This increase has been driven by the fall in the pound, which has made British goods cheaper abroad.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-exports-british-goods-products-a8067906.html

Why did you snip this bit off? Agenda much?

“However, he pointed out that while the export environment looks bright, domestic conditions could prove challenging in the coming months despite the surge in November’s orders.

“Increased prices for capital goods and big-ticket consumer durable goods, squeezed consumer purchasing power, and economic and political uncertainty will not make life easy for manufacturers,” Mr Archer said.

“Businesses’ willingness to invest and buy capital goods is being tested by extended weak UK economic activity as well as Brexit uncertainties,” he added.”

 

[peteblue]

I think the average town is less likely to have noticed increased manufacturing and exports, and more likely to have seen their household bills increase dramatically in price. They’ve suddenly noticed that their yearly holiday to the costa del sol isn’t as cheap. And all the while they’re probably wondering why the nhs is still failing despite what the red bus told them, and why there’s still a Polish food section in Tesco*

Also, countering the manufacturing export gains are the rising costs of importing raw materials and (for some) the struggle to find people to fill vacancies.

*without any awareness of the irony that their shopping basket contains pizza, past, curry, and a chicken and black bean stir fry.

Sounds terrible, yet we are still in the EU though......

 

[abelard]

Sounds terrible, yet we are still in the EU though......

and it will only get worse after we leave

 

[Old Blue 2]

and it will only get worse after we leave

abelard: You cannot possibly know that (or if you do, gimme the Lotto numbers for next week!)

No one knows what the future will hold. Predicting the future in this case is pure 100% speculation...

 

[peteblue]

and it will only get worse after we leave

Or get better......or stay the same....

 

[abelard]

abelard: You cannot possibly know that (or if you do, gimme the Lotto numbers for next week!)

No one knows what the future will hold. Predicting the future in this case is pure 100% speculation...

We might still mathematically win the league - nobody can say with complete certainty that it won't happen - but it's far more than idle speculation to suggest that we won't.

Over the course of this thread, a range of posters have detailed, extensively, their informed and legitimate concerns about the harm that Brexit will and already has delivered.

And I'm not sure you're taking this at all seriously.

 

[Old Blue 2]

We might still mathematically win the league - nobody can say with complete certainty that it won't happen - but it's far more than idle speculation to suggest that we won't.

Over the course of this thread, a range of posters have detailed, extensively, their informed and legitimate concerns about the harm that Brexit will and already has delivered.

And I'm not sure you're taking this at all seriously.

Sorry abelard, you have not replied to my points at all. This is what you said: "...and it will only get worse after we leave..." I challenged you that you could not possibly know that, also that you could not possibly predict the future post-Brexit at all. Now what I said was fact, because NO ONE can say what things will be like post-Brexit.

And because I have challenged you, you now say I'm not taking this at all seriously. How could you possibly come to that conclusion, simply because I said you could not see into the future, and predict it accurately? Come on, abelard, I thought you knew me better than that...

 

[peteblue]

We might still mathematically win the league - nobody can say with complete certainty that it won't happen - but it's far more than idle speculation to suggest that we won't.

Over the course of this thread, a range of posters have detailed, extensively, their informed and legitimate concerns about the harm that Brexit will and already has delivered.

And I'm not sure you're taking this at all seriously.

A quick summary might help. Although any concerns or harm are again only future forecasts which may or may not happen, meanwhile actual manufacturing output is recorded as being the highest it has been for many years......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The approach here seems to be that because forecasting is not perfect, we should therefore not bother. It chimes with previous posts that because research isn't infallible, we should discount all attempts to study a matter in favour of blind ignorance.

It's like saying to the weather man that because they can't be sure it will be cold tomorrow I'm going to pretend it'll be 30 degrees.

 

[Ron Swanson]

Sounds terrible, yet we are still in the EU though......

Yes we are still in the EU, but the increase in food and goods is a direct result of the vote to leave the EU.

And it's 100% certain at this stage that the NHS will not get £350m extra per week either now or after we leave the EU.

 

[peteblue]

Yes we are still in the EU, but the increase in food and goods is a direct result of the vote to leave the EU.

And it's 100% certain at this stage that the NHS will not get £350m extra per week either now or after we leave the EU.

Which food and what goods......

 

[peteblue]

The approach here seems to be that because forecasting is not perfect, we should therefore not bother. It chimes with previous posts that because research isn't infallible, we should discount all attempts to study a matter in favour of blind ignorance.

It's like saying to the weather man that because they can't be sure it will be cold tomorrow I'm going to pretend it'll be 30 degrees.

I think the issue is that remainers don’t really have a track record of getting financial forecasts correct, in fact the actuality was the exact opposite. Now the Leavers may not get their forecasts correct either, but theirs haven’t been tested yet......

 

[Ruairi77]

LSE studies reckon Brexit is already costing the average UK household £400 P/A.

This article gives some info on food and goods
https://finchannel.com/business/finance/69810-new-study-reveals-hit-to-living-standards-from-brexit

 

[Ron Swanson]

Which food and what goods......

I don't understand your question (if it is a question). Pretty much all imported food and goods have increased since the referendum thanks to a weakened pound.