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    Votes: 325 32.1%

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You are just making this up. You were asked the other day where the Good Friday agreement or any Eu document said this was so, and you didn’t produce it. Just repeating this nonsense is not a valid argument.........

You need to read a bit more widely about Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1998. May herself has said, that those with an Irish passport have Irish citizenship and therefore will have EU citizenship rights. So if a law is passed in the European parliament, say working directive with 2 years off with full pay for maternity leave, and will be enacted in the Republic, it will be relevant to those in the north with Irish citizenship. A person with an Irish passport - EU citizenship, will then be able to claim that benefit. If a company refuses it would go to the ECJ to rule on that issue.
 
You need to read a bit more widely about Northern Ireland and the Good Friday agreement and the Northern Ireland Act 1998. May herself has said, that those with an Irish passport have Irish citizenship and therefore will have EU citizenship rights. So if a law is passed in the European parliament, say working directive with 2 years off with full pay for maternity leave, and will be enacted in the Republic, it will be relevant to those in the north with Irish citizenship. A person with an Irish passport - EU citizenship, will then be able to claim that benefit. If a company refuses it would go to the ECJ to rule on that issue.

That sounds wonderful. But once the U.K., including NI have left the EU, what does the ECJ have to do with it....where in the GFA does it say that NI must follow ECJ law. Once we have left, whatever passport one holds, in NI they will be under U.K. law.......
 
It is hamstrung by WTO rules. No amount of 'creativity' can get around that.

Of course it can, don’t be silly.....obv it will be covered via a myriad of subtle changes, exemptions, taxes and charges, but it can be done......it happens all the time.......
 
That sounds wonderful. But once the U.K., including NI have left the EU, what does the ECJ have to do with it....where in the GFA does it say that NI must follow ECJ law. Once we have left, whatever passport one holds, in NI they will be under U.K. law.......

Those in the north of the island of Ireland will be under both UK and EU law after the rest of the UK leaves. May has pointed out, that the GFA -an international treaty signed by two sovereign government, has to be recognised in its totality i.e with the Northern Ireland Act 1998 and the Republic's Act to not claim the north. Neither can be altered to because it would effect the GFA. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 says that that Northern Ireland executive cannot pass a Bill that does not correspond with EU law and if it does then a reference can be made to the ECJ. Likewise, an EU act that is enacted by the Republic will mean Irish citizens in the north would be able to take advantage of that particular law and be protected by the ECJ. NI will not be leaving the EU.
 
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Those in the north of the island of Ireland will be under both UK and EU law after the rest of the UK leaves. May has pointed out, that the GFA -an international treaty signed by two sovereign government, has to be recognised in its totality i.e with the Northern Ireland Act 1998 and the Republic's Act to not claim the north. Neither can be altered to because it would effect the GFA. The Northern Ireland Act 1998 says that that Northern Ireland executive cannot pass a Bill that does not correspond with EU law and if it does then a reference can be made to the ECJ. Likewise, an EU act that is enacted by the Republic will mean Irish citizens in the north would be able to take advantage of that particular law and be protected by the ECJ. NI will not be leaving the EU.

We shall see.....
 
You are just making this up. You were asked the other day where the Good Friday agreement or any Eu document said this was so, and you didn’t produce it. Just repeating this nonsense is not a valid argument.........

Guiding principles - European Commission

The Impact and Consequences of Brexit for Northern Ireland

Brexit: Northern Irish will still get EU citizens' rights, Government ...


"The position paper adds: “As long as Ireland remains a member of the EU, Irish citizenship also confers EU citizenship, with all the rights that go with this.


“This is true for the people of Northern Ireland who are Irish citizens – or who hold both British and Irish citizenship – as it is for Irish citizens in Ireland.


“The UK welcomes the commitment in the European Commission’s directives the these EU rights should continue to be respected following the UK’s departure from the EU: ‘Full account should be taken of the fact that Irish citizens residing in Northern Ireland will continue to enjoy rights as EU citizens.


The position paper was also published as Theresa May wrote in the Belfast-based Irish News, adding citizenship rights were “at the heart of our approach”.


She added: “On the citizenship rights guaranteed by the Belfast agreement, our position is clear. Northern Ireland remains an integral part of the United Kingdom, but it is also the permanent birthright of the people of Northern Ireland to hold both British and Irish citizenship.


“This will remain the case, and people of Northern Ireland who are Irish citizens will remain EU citizens.”
 
Guiding principles - European Commission

The Impact and Consequences of Brexit for Northern Ireland

Brexit: Northern Irish will still get EU citizens' rights, Government ...


"The position paper adds: “As long as Ireland remains a member of the EU, Irish citizenship also confers EU citizenship, with all the rights that go with this.


“This is true for the people of Northern Ireland who are Irish citizens – or who hold both British and Irish citizenship – as it is for Irish citizens in Ireland.


“The UK welcomes the commitment in the European Commission’s directives the these EU rights should continue to be respected following the UK’s departure from the EU: ‘Full account should be taken of the fact that Irish citizens residing in Northern Ireland will continue to enjoy rights as EU citizens.


The position paper was also published as Theresa May wrote in the Belfast-based Irish News, adding citizenship rights were “at the heart of our approach”.


She added: “On the citizenship rights guaranteed by the Belfast agreement, our position is clear. Northern Ireland remains an integral part of the United Kingdom, but it is also the permanent birthright of the people of Northern Ireland to hold both British and Irish citizenship.


“This will remain the case, and people of Northern Ireland who are Irish citizens will remain EU citizens.”

So they will retain the rights of Eu citizens, outside of the Eu.......
 
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