Current Affairs EU In or Out

[roydo]

And I voted Leave and guess what, I don’t have to find a solution either........

True.

Be ace spending that £350m a week on stuff mind. Cant wait. (Because like it or not, a LOT of folk voted Out on nonsense like that, not from an even half informed position)

And the scales are starting to slip from a few eyes imo.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Majority of us have just given up and accepted the fact we're leaving.

It's your lots timebomb to fix and you're not getting it done. So we'll wait and capitalise from the fallout.

No, it is NOT the remit of those who voted to leave to 'fix' anything.

At the risk of repeating myself (once again!), the referendum issue was cross-party. The vote was UK-wide. The responsibility for implementation of the vote either way was/is the responsibility of the Government of the day. Once the voting closed on 23rd June 2016, all responsibility passed to the Government, not the people (individual or otherwise).

 

[Old Blue 2]

True.

Be ace spending that £350m a week on stuff mind. Cant wait. (Because like it or not, a LOT of folk voted Out on nonsense like that, not from an even half informed position)

And the scales are starting to slip from a few eyes imo.

Well, is it nonsense, roydo?

It has been acknowledged a long time ago in this thread that the £350 million is a gross figure, with a certain amount not going to the EU because of the rebate system.

However, once we are free of the EU totally, the figure becomes a reality. It's simple mathematics, really. Then it can be decided where it all goes...

 

[roydo]

The responsibility for implementation of the vote either way was/is the responsibility of the Government of the day.

True. But the responsibility for them have to sort it out is down to those who voted Out.

And that said, I assume that whatever terms the end deal looks like, you will be 100% behind it?

 

[bobbydigital]

Well, is it nonsense, roydo?

It has been acknowledged a long time ago in this thread that the £350 million is a gross figure, with a certain amount not going to the EU because of the rebate system.

However, once we are free of the EU totally, the figure becomes a reality. It's simple mathematics, really. Then it can be decided where it all goes...

There won't be any deciding where it goes. It'll be used to cover the billions lost in tax revenue from the damage to the economy. Unfortunately a lot more will need to be found.

 

[roydo]

Well, is it nonsense, roydo?

It has been acknowledged a long time ago in this thread that the £350 million is a gross figure, with a certain amount not going to the EU because of the rebate system.

However, once we are free of the EU totally, the figure becomes a reality. It's simple mathematics, really. Then it can be decided where it all goes...

And you will be perfectly happy where this mythical windfall will be spent I assume?

 

[Old Blue 2]

There won't be any deciding where it goes. It'll be used to cover the billions lost in tax revenue from the damage to the economy. Unfortunately a lot more will need to be found.

You simply cannot say what will happen in the future with any certainty at all...

 

[Old Blue 2]

True. But the responsibility for them have to sort it out is down to those who voted Out.

And that said, I assume that whatever terms the end deal looks like, you will be 100% behind it?

No it isn't. That is not logical at all. Government responsibility for negotiation and implementation, 100%.

 

[Old Blue 2]

And you will be perfectly happy where this mythical windfall will be spent I assume?

Mythical? I don't think the sums of money we send to the EU are mythical. Do you...?

 

[roydo]

You simply cannot say what will happen in the future with any certainty at all...

Exactly. Thats why I voted to stay. It isnt/wasnt brilliant, but the trade/customs/travel agreements were.

Now, as you accept, we have years, maybe more, of uncertainty. Played.

 

[Ruairi77]

Once they’ve checked into Southern Ireland yes, no change for NI or Irish nationals, others will no doubt be subject to formal immigration upon arriving at the mainland...

So you want the Republic to do the policing for the north?
and any EU resident is officially allowed in to the north but not the rest of the UK?

Edit. sorry, popped out and your crazy idea has since been pulled to pieces many times.

 

[roydo]

No it isn't. That is not logical at all. Government responsibility for negotiation and implementation, 100%.

Yes. But responsibility for the Out result lies with those who voted Out. No?

Mythical? I don't think the sums of money we send to the EU are mythical. Do you...?

No, its not mythical. But neither is the ££££Billion of GDP that trade with EU contributed. Now, at risk.

 

[Ruairi77]

And I voted Leave and guess what, I don’t have to find a solution either........

you don't have to find a solution because you should already have one. Otherwise why vote leave?

 

[Old Blue 2]

1. Yes. But responsibility for the Out result lies with those who voted Out. No?

2. No, its not mythical. But neither is the ££££Billion of GDP that trade with EU contributed. Now, at risk.

1. I think you are still missing an essential point.
There is a complete division of actions:
a) the responsibility to vote or not; and
b) the responsibility to implement the decision of the vote.
Whereas the two are connected, the two are 100% divisible. Where the first one finishes, the second starts. End of vote = start of implementation.

2. Concerning trade, I will leave it to others who are more cognisant of that matter, although in recent pages it has been stated that the EU imports far to us than we do to them, so there si a clear and present danger for them if they balls up the negotiations.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Anway, my chickadees, I'm off to a gig in the far flung outpost of the Empire, otherwise known as Suffolk.

Won't be back until post 1 a.m..

Play niciely - I will!