Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Old Blue 2]

Not really, he was tempting you into saying you dislike Juncker and therefore by extension the EU.....

Perhaps so, but this: "Do you think it's possible to dislike a politician but like the institution?"
has a far wider remit than he is betraying.

Threw a line out. Fish no bite...

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Once they’ve checked into Southern Ireland yes, no change for NI or Irish nationals, others will no doubt be subject to formal immigration upon arriving at the mainland...

So NI stays in the EU then? With free movement of people and goods?

 

[peteblue]

That's the biggest nightmare though , it's already been a problem in the past with the sensitive nature of our relationship with the island of Ireland and the 'complex' nature of various Irish visa legislation . You'll have no border so people can simply pass to the north and you're then in the UK where we cannot demand id without some serious suspicions . Then you've got the flights and the the issue of ukba unable to check the documents of those travelling within the common travel area so you need the special branch/counter terrorism police to do it which is difficult because a) they're busy and b) it's incredibly sensitive .

The only way round that would be more legislation but since we aren't having a border I imagine we aren't revoking the common travel area so what do you do ? It's a minefield whatever your Brexit views I think or hope we can all agree on that .

Of course it is, but it’s a risk worth taking for the People in NI.......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It can’t be done directly, so it could change tax structures, allowances etc etc, I’m sure the thousands of clever people in HMRC will work something out......

What work out a way of refunding tariffs to exporters that no one will correlate to a Govt subsidy? Really? lol

 

[peteblue]

So NI stays in the EU then? With free movement of people and goods?

No, they exit the EU just like us, but we unilaterally allow goods and people to flow across the border. If the EU and Southern Ireland wish to stop it then on their heads be it.......

 

[Old Blue 2]

You seem to dislike the EU because of Juncker et al. It's akin to disliking the NHS because of Hunt.

Come on, Bruce, you are better than the above. Do you REALLY believe the first sentence you wrote? Really, after all the discussions that have gone on before in this thread? How you can form a judgement and set it out in the first sentence above is really, well I won't say what I think cos I'll get a ban!

And your second sentence. Once again, c'mon Bruce, if you want a discussion, put forward some valid premises. Let me beat about the bush. Your second sentence is rubbish. Period.

 

[Harryflashman]

Of course it is, but it’s a risk worth taking for the People in NI.......

I don't understand that . I understand that people want Brexit and they voted and that's fine , I think overall the north voted remain so maybe they perceived the issues relating to them better. I also understand it's not region by region and respect the result but it's going to be a nightmare to legislate for , at present if we leave the eu as it stands and the common travel area remains what happens ? How do we stop people using the south to enter the uk ? I for the life of me struggle to see a way without legislative changes and those in the island of Ireland seem to have been assured no such changes will take place .

To clarify I'm not talking about them remaining in the north I'm talking about them using the common travel area to enter the uk .

 

[roydo]

No, they exit the EU just like us, but we unilaterally allow goods and people to flow across the border. If the EU and Southern Ireland wish to stop it then on their heads be it.......

So controlled borders, ish. Well thought out that.

 

[peteblue]

What work out a way of refunding tariffs to exporters that no one will correlate to a Govt subsidy? Really? lol

It’s just like changing corporation tax, which we can do today, or amending VAT (which currently goes to the EU), the taxmen always find a way.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

No, they exit the EU just like us, but we unilaterally allow goods and people to flow across the border. If the EU and Southern Ireland wish to stop it then on their heads be it.......

So they retain free movement of people and single market access by default then...

So what's to stop goods entering NI from the UK (and vice versa) on a tariff free basis and then being shipped into Europe via Southern Ireland as tariff free goods?

 

[Connor]

Not really good this from the leavers. Up creek without a paddle.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It’s just like changing corporation tax, which we can do today, or amending VAT (which currently goes to the EU), the taxmen always find a way.....

If you amend corporation tax then you do so for every business in the land and it's paid on net profit not turnover.........you're talking about trying to find a way of pushing circa £7BN back to exporters via the back door, that won't be as obvious as hell - that equates to circa 14% of our total corporation tax receipts btw. It's yet another example of Brexiteer glibness.

 

[peteblue]

I don't understand that . I understand that people want Brexit and they voted and that's fine , I think overall the north voted remain so maybe they perceived the issues relating to them better. I also understand it's not region by region and respect the result but it's going to be a nightmare to legislate for , at present if we leave the eu as it stands and the common travel area remains what happens ? How do we stop people using the south to enter the uk ? I for the life of me struggle to see a way without legislative changes and those in the island of Ireland seem to have been assured no such changes will take place .

To clarify I'm not talking about them remaining in the north I'm talking about them using the common travel area to enter the uk .

There is nothing to stop the U.K. allowing people from Southern Ireland access to a common travel area yet denying it to other nationals.....

 

[peteblue]

If you amend corporation tax then you do so for every business in the land and it's paid on net profit not turnover.........you're talking about trying to find a way of pushing circa £7BN back to exporters via the back door, that won't be as obvious as hell - that equates to circa 14% of our total corporation tax receipts btw.

I used it as a single example. I am not a taxman. If required then ways will be found....

 

[peteblue]

Not really good this from the leavers. Up creek without a paddle.

So what are the remainers offering......