Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Groucho said:
Seeing as this poll was advisory, surely the democratic thing to do is have a vote on whether the final deal/outcome is satisfactory to press on with.

And while I voted remain I do not wish to appear patronising to those who voted leave, this is a quote from the man charged with sorting this mess out; "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." David Davis (Brexit Secretary).

Don’t fume by the way, it’s simply my opinion just as you have yours. Stay civil and chilled and that.
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This is absolutely what should happen.
 
I see that the U.K. stance of ‘no deal’ is beginning to panic a few. Christine Lagarde, that we’ll known crook who runs the IMF has been wheeled out to denounce such an eventuality....

“Lagarde said she supported Theresa May’s idea of an implementation period of about two yearsafter Britain’s formal exit from the EU, but that there also needed to be progress on the EU’s three key issues: money, citizens’ rights and the Irish border.

“I don’t know if the two-year transition is going to be agreed upon as was proposed by prime minister May in her Florence speech, but certainly clarity on the timetable and better certainty on the three pillars which are the beginning of the negotiations would help reduce this uncertainty,” she said.“

It would have carried a little bit more credibility if she hadn’t quoted the EU mantra verbatim.........
 
peteblue said:
I see that the U.K. stance of ‘no deal’ is beginning to panic a few. Christine Lagarde, that we’ll known crook who runs the IMF has been wheeled out to denounce such an eventuality....

“Lagarde said she supported Theresa May’s idea of an implementation period of about two yearsafter Britain’s formal exit from the EU, but that there also needed to be progress on the EU’s three key issues: money, citizens’ rights and the Irish border.

“I don’t know if the two-year transition is going to be agreed upon as was proposed by prime minister May in her Florence speech, but certainly clarity on the timetable and better certainty on the three pillars which are the beginning of the negotiations would help reduce this uncertainty,” she said.“

It would have carried a little bit more credibility if she hadn’t quoted the EU mantra verbatim.........
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And the word in red is the crux of everything. They are miffed at the big chunk they will lose, but will not come straight out and say so. Of course they won't! The other two are of far lesser importance to them. It is obvious they want a huge amount, and at present we are hedging on what we believe should go to them, to their utter annoyance. As I said before, some of them are playing 'tough guy' politics, thinking we will bend to their will. We're saying, go chase yerself, and they don't like it...

Wake up, peoples, and see the real nature of the beast that is the EU...
 
bring the ghost on said:
They're playing "tough guy" politics and squeezing us over money - so what?

You basically just described any political negotiation, ever.
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I agree, btgo. So why the big surprise and criticism from those who want to remain, then...? The present stance of the EU can therefore be described as 'expected'.
 
Groucho said:
Seeing as this poll was advisory, surely the democratic thing to do is have a vote on whether the final deal/outcome is satisfactory to press on with.

And while I voted remain I do not wish to appear patronising to those who voted leave, this is a quote from the man charged with sorting this mess out; "If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy." David Davis (Brexit Secretary).

Don’t fume by the way, it’s simply my opinion just as you have yours. Stay civil and chilled and that.
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How many polls do you have untill the Remoaners are satisfied?
It's the EU intrangegence that's making Brexit hard it's the greed of the EU - if you left a club would you still want to pay fees for pensions of the organisation you have left?
 
Old Blue 2 said:
I agree, btgo. So why the big surprise and criticism from those who want to remain, then...? The present stance of the EU can therefore be described as 'expected'.
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Dunno OB2, I don't speak for those who want to remain and don't think "those who want to remain" always agree on everything.

I think the EU clearly has people in its ranks who are careerists, opportunists, power obsessed, but that's just like any political entity - Labour, Tories, Democrats, Republicans, etc.

For me, the real question was always "do we stand to benefit more than we lose by being in the EU?" and I think the answer to that was always a resounding "yes".

Having said that, I'm not someone who thinks the decision should be reversed - the vote is the vote. That said, the Tories are doing a poor job in the negotiations and at the moment, it doesn't bode well for the future.
 
Old Blue 2 said:
And the word in red is the crux of everything. They are miffed at the big chunk they will lose, but will not come straight out and say so. Of course they won't! The other two are of far lesser importance to them. It is obvious they want a huge amount, and at present we are hedging on what we believe should go to them, to their utter annoyance. As I said before, some of them are playing 'tough guy' politics, thinking we will bend to their will. We're saying, go chase yerself, and they don't like it...

Wake up, peoples, and see the real nature of the beast that is the EU...
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It is all about money. It’s like negotiating a player transfer where the EU is the agent and the deal won’t go ahead unless the agent gets his cut. The EU knows it will have a shortfall, Germany et al will not make up the difference and the EU is unwilling to cut back its budget, therefore the U.K. must pay......through the nose......
 
bring the ghost on said:
Dunno OB2, I don't speak for those who want to remain and don't think "those who want to remain" always agree on everything.

I think the EU clearly has people in its ranks who are careerists, opportunists, power obsessed, but that's just like any political entity - Labour, Tories, Democrats, Republicans, etc.

For me, the real question was always "do we stand to benefit more than we lose by being in the EU?" and I think the answer to that was always a resounding "yes".

Having said that, I'm not someone who thinks the decision should be reversed - the vote is the vote. That said, the Tories are doing a poor job in the negotiations and at the moment, it doesn't bode well for the future.
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The only people who will screw up our negotiations are our own remoaners and political opportunists. The EU has no need to divide and conquer, we are doing it for them..........
 
bring the ghost on said:
Dunno OB2, I don't speak for those who want to remain and don't think "those who want to remain" always agree on everything.

I think the EU clearly has people in its ranks who are careerists, opportunists, power obsessed, but that's just like any political entity - Labour, Tories, Democrats, Republicans, etc.

For me, the real question was always "do we stand to benefit more than we lose by being in the EU?" and I think the answer to that was always a resounding "yes".

Having said that, I'm not someone who thinks the decision should be reversed - the vote is the vote. That said, the Tories are doing a poor job in the negotiations and at the moment, it doesn't bode well for the future.
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I think at the moment it seems to be like two wary boxers circling each other in the first round...
 
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