Current Affairs EU In or Out

[neil999]

You don't understand what I'm saying, do you? You miss the point completely.

Day-to-day transparent financial dealings are one thing. The BIG multi-national/global decisions are made way behind the scenes that neither you nor I know about. If you don't believe that, well...

I thought remoaners were meant to be the patronising ones?

 

[Groucho]

I thought remoaners were meant to be the patronising ones?

Apparently we should just shut up.

 

[Eggs]

..I see something fairly obvious in the Brexit negotiations that nobody seems to pick up on, so perhaps i’m wrong. Surely the EU can’t give the UK anything like a good deal for fear other countries will also want to leave.

Control of it’s own borders and law making whilst keeping access to the single market is the UK bid but lots of other countries will fancy that if it’s granted. The EU will want to make an example or fear the break up of the union.

Tend to agree mate. The only thing that might twig that is that the UK aint in the Euro. Thats the biggest issue for any nation wanting to leave.

Ergo, they cant. Without a massive repayment to the ECB who bailed some of them out.

They, (Italy, Spain, Greece et al, are in a strait jacket, we at least have a degree of self determination. Not that I wanted to leave anyrate.

...talking on BBCs Daily Politics, Nigel Lawson has just said the EU will not give us a good trade deal because they are paranoid other states will want to leave. Hate to agree with a former Tory Chancellor, but that’s my logic. Lawson also feels ‘no deal’ on trade is the most likely outcome.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

...talking on BBCs Daily Politics, Nigel Lawson has just said the EU will not give us a good trade deal because they are paranoid other states will want to leave. Hate to agree with a former Tory Chancellor, but that’s my logic. Lawson also feels ‘no deal’ is the most likely outcome.

No offence mate, but surely that was obvious to a blind man even before the referendum?

 

[Eggs]

No offence mate, but surely that was obvious to a blind man even before the referendum?

..I agree, what astounds me is that the point is never made.

 

[bobbydigital]

The EUobserver.....

UK pleads for Brexit transition period, EU unlikely to be moved
TODAY, 17:23
Barnier's negotiating mandate should be changed to kick-off transition talks, but that is unlikely to happen at next week's EU summit, despite pleas from London.

This is typical of the EU viewpoint and approach. The UK is saying that the trade relationship is an important aspect and needs to start, the EU however are ‘unlikely to be moved by the U.K. pleading’. Even their media don’t get it. This is what brought the U.K. to Brexit, an inflexible EU who seem to think that we are not serious. They need these talks just as much as we do, but no, they need to be ‘in charge’. It will be the second huge shock to them when we do actually walk away.......

Let me get this straight.

You actually think they need us as much as we need them?

And you are actually surprised that since we have left the EU they aren't bending over backwards to help us?

 

[peteblue]

..I agree, what astounds me is that the point is never made.

I think it has been.....

 

[peteblue]

You'll have to forgive me Pete, but this just smacks of playing the poor little victim when it suits. I can't be bothered to vault, but there have been endless calls from yourself, others on here, and certainly from the government, to just bugger off and leave, to get out as soon as the ink had dried on the vote, that we're better off without them and all of this chest puffing bravado bollocks. Now when it suits you, you shrivel back and accuse the EU of bullying us by calling that bluff? Cmon.

I’ll give you part of that, but our comments on here reflect our own opinions, they do not reflect a European viewpoint....

 

[tsubaki]

No offence mate, but surely that was obvious to a blind man even before the referendum?

It is, but the question that follows on from that is why countries (or more accurately, their populations) would want to leave. It couldn't possibly be because European politics is quite a bit removed from democratic accountability, could it?

 

[peteblue]

Let me get this straight.

You actually think they need us as much as we need them?

And you are actually surprised that since we have left the EU they aren't bending over backwards to help us?

When we leave, we will be their largest export market. They currently run a trade surplus of over £70Bn per year with the UK, so you’re probably right they don’t need us at all......

 

[peteblue]

So another weeks negotiations come to an end and the EU continue to say not enough progress. It’s reported that the people and NI issues are well progressed, so basically it’s all about the money.....and it always has been......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It is, but the question that follows on from that is why countries (or more accurately, their populations) would want to leave. It couldn't possibly be because European politics is quite a bit removed from democratic accountability, could it?

Name one law that the EU has created that causes you a tangible problem in your day to day existence?

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

So another weeks negotiations come to an end and the EU continue to say not enough progress. It’s reported that the people and NI issues are well progressed, so basically it’s all about the money.....and it always has been......

Only we've refused to spell out what we're prepared to offer, which is why the deadlock continues., but of course that's the EU's fault.

 

[peteblue]

Only we've refused to spell out what we're prepared to offer, which is why the deadlock continues., but of course that's the EU's fault.

May has told them we will pay what we owe, she has said we will continue contributions during any transition period. Why should we dot the i’s and cross the t’s while they will not even start talking about the future relationship that affects both sides. Here’s an original thought, why not do some things in parallel......

 

[tsubaki]

Name one law that the EU has created that causes you a tangible problem in your day to day existence?

Well, for a start that is a nice way of ignoring the point that democratic accountability, especially at a Europe-wide level, doesn't really exist.

But if you do want a piece of legislation, then here one is. Its been replaced by successor legislation, but the purposes to which that legislation was put are still with me and still provoke daily annoyance.