Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Eggs]

Tend to agree mate. The only thing that might twig that is that the UK aint in the Euro. Thats the biggest issue for any nation wanting to leave.

Ergo, they cant. Without a massive repayment to the ECB who bailed some of them out.

They, (Italy, Spain, Greece et al, are in a strait jacket, we at least have a degree of self determination. Not that I wanted to leave anyrate.

..good point, Matey.

 

[peteblue]

..I see something fairly obvious in the Brexit negotiations that nobody seems to pick up on, so perhaps i’m wrong. Surely the EU can’t give the UK anything like a good deal for fear other countries will also want to leave.

Control of it’s own borders and law making whilst keeping access to the single market is the UK bid but lots of other countries will fancy that if it’s granted. The EU will want to make an example or fear the break up of the union.

Of course, because they are bullies anyway. The EU bureaucracy will continue what they are doing now, basically obfuscating on doing a deal, until eventually those countries in the EU who will see their UK trade disappear will wake up and have their voices heard. They may all decide that we should be ‘punished’ but we are big enough to ride through it if that is the course they take....we previously spent our money and our people saving Europe, which is obviously now forgotten, well now we can do it for ourselves.......

 

[peteblue]

Tend to agree mate. The only thing that might twig that is that the UK aint in the Euro. Thats the biggest issue for any nation wanting to leave.

Ergo, they cant. Without a massive repayment to the ECB who bailed some of them out.

They, (Italy, Spain, Greece et al, are in a strait jacket, we at least have a degree of self determination. Not that I wanted to leave anyrate.

Some of those countries are screwed. Germany is having a great time, France has woken up to this fact and is trying to change the game, but it won’t change......

 

[peteblue]

The EUobserver.....

UK pleads for Brexit transition period, EU unlikely to be moved
TODAY, 17:23
Barnier's negotiating mandate should be changed to kick-off transition talks, but that is unlikely to happen at next week's EU summit, despite pleas from London.

This is typical of the EU viewpoint and approach. The UK is saying that the trade relationship is an important aspect and needs to start, the EU however are ‘unlikely to be moved by the U.K. pleading’. Even their media don’t get it. This is what brought the U.K. to Brexit, an inflexible EU who seem to think that we are not serious. They need these talks just as much as we do, but no, they need to be ‘in charge’. It will be the second huge shock to them when we do actually walk away.......

 

[degsy]

There needs to be an impartial body though doesn't there? I mean lets say the government agrees to treat all current EU migrants living in the UK as they do currently under EU law, then they decide a year down the road that they don't want that to apply to unemployed or retired migrants. Are those migrants to trust the UK courts to provide a fair hearing?

If this mythical hearing took place under EU law and / or a joint UK/EU law as that apply at the time, would that be 'fair' or 'unfair'? - No...unless you think they might - for want of a better word 'fiddle' it.
Based on above the hearing won't be any more 'fair' or 'unfair' it will be based on the UK Laws that apply at the time?...unless you think they might fiddle it?

tbh, fiddle also might be seen as 'open to a number of possible verdicts' depending on the 'opinion' and 'interpretation' of the Judge(s)
...which is why we have appeals courts

The whole thing is of course a total dogs breakfast.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The EUobserver.....

UK pleads for Brexit transition period, EU unlikely to be moved
TODAY, 17:23
Barnier's negotiating mandate should be changed to kick-off transition talks, but that is unlikely to happen at next week's EU summit, despite pleas from London.

This is typical of the EU viewpoint and approach. The UK is saying that the trade relationship is an important aspect and needs to start, the EU however are ‘unlikely to be moved by the U.K. pleading’. Even their media don’t get it. This is what brought the U.K. to Brexit, an inflexible EU who seem to think that we are not serious. They need these talks just as much as we do, but no, they need to be ‘in charge’. It will be the second huge shock to them when we do actually walk away.......

You'll have to forgive me Pete, but this just smacks of playing the poor little victim when it suits. I can't be bothered to vault, but there have been endless calls from yourself, others on here, and certainly from the government, to just bugger off and leave, to get out as soon as the ink had dried on the vote, that we're better off without them and all of this chest puffing bravado bollocks. Now when it suits you, you shrivel back and accuse the EU of bullying us by calling that bluff? Cmon.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

"Since we left, the economy has done alright..."

But we haven't bloody well left yet. This woman works in the treasury? No recollection of the Bank of England printing a [Poor language removed] load of money straight after the vote? No comprehension of the almost purple patch we're in of having a plummeting pound and still single market access?

Either she's being horribly disingenuous or is just dumber than a bag of hammers.

 

[Groucho]

"Since we left, the economy has done alright..."

But we haven't bloody well left yet. This woman works in the treasury? No recollection of the Bank of England printing a [Poor language removed] load of money straight after the vote? No comprehension of the almost purple patch we're in of having a plummeting pound and still single market access?

Either she's being horribly disingenuous or is just dumber than a bag of hammers.

For me it all got a bit surreal long ago. "No deal is better than a bad deal" for example. Odd.

Skydiver 1: Mate, you don't have your parachute on...

Skydiver 2: Nah mate, no parachute is better than a bad parachute...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For me it all got a bit surreal long ago. "No deal is better than a bad deal" for example. Odd.

Skydiver 1: Mate, you don't have your parachute on...

Skydiver 2: Nah mate, no parachute is better than a bad parachute...

And then crying a bit later on that the mean people won't give you a parachute. To add to the absurdity of it all, folks then also get uppity when the word of the government isn't taken at face value (such as after Florence), despite the frankly ridiculous amount of flip flopping that's gone on in the past year or so. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

 

[Groucho]

And then crying a bit later on that the mean people won't give you a parachute. To add to the absurdity of it all, folks then also get uppity when the word of the government isn't taken at face value (such as after Florence), despite the frankly ridiculous amount of flip flopping that's gone on in the past year or so. I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

“Hello, SkyTV? Yes I’d like to cancel my subscription, but retain your services and channels please. It’s your choice.”

That’s been a common analogy lately.

Madness to me.

 

[Old Blue 2]

You'll have to forgive me Pete, but this just smacks of playing the poor little victim when it suits. I can't be bothered to vault, but there have been endless calls from yourself, others on here, and certainly from the government, to just bugger off and leave, to get out as soon as the ink had dried on the vote, that we're better off without them and all of this chest puffing bravado bollocks. Now when it suits you, you shrivel back and accuse the EU of bullying us by calling that bluff? Cmon.

To coin a famous expression, Bruce, you can't see the wood for the trees...

Do you really think these EU reps are playing a straight bat? REALLY?

They're playing 'tough guy' politics. Do they really think they can TOTALLY impose everything they want on us?

They can have their 15 minutes of fame. Greater forces than them within the EU will eventually make them see sense. And to head-off you asking what this means, it's the European financial cabal that pulls all the strings that will eventually tell them to stop fecking about and sort out agreements...

 

[Joey66]

“Hello, SkyTV? Yes I’d like to cancel my subscription, but retain your services and channels please. It’s your choice.”

That’s been a common analogy lately.

Madness to me.

Or hello Sky Tv I am swapping for Virgin TV or I will have your fast broadband and stream films and tv series on netflix or Amazon as its a cheaper deal!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

“Hello, SkyTV? Yes I’d like to cancel my subscription, but retain your services and channels please. It’s your choice.”

That’s been a common analogy lately.

Madness to me.

I'm inclined to think it's even more bonkers than that mate. It's akin to complaining for years that Sky don't give you Sky Sports, then they give you access to Sky Sports, you don't choose to watch it, then flounce off complaining about the lack of sport on Sky.

I mean it's nonsense. We've got a whole bunch of powers over migration that aren't used, and bang on about trading with the world whilst walking away not only from the biggest trading block in the world, but one that has just concluded a trade deal with Canada and will shortly have one with Japan.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

To coin a famous expression, Bruce, you can't see the wood for the trees...

Do you really think these EU reps are playing a straight bat? REALLY?

They're playing 'tough guy' politics. Do they really think they can TOTALLY impose everything they want on us?

They can have their 15 minutes of fame. Greater forces than them within the EU will eventually make them see sense. And to head-off you asking what this means, it's the European financial cabal that pulls all the strings that will eventually tell them to stop fecking about and sort out agreements...

I'd struggle to play a straight bat if my opposite number turned up in snorkel and flippers. As for the 'financial cabal'. You do know London is the financial capital of Europe? The same City that universally thinks Brexit is a rubbish idea?

 

[Old Blue 2]

I'd struggle to play a straight bat if my opposite number turned up in snorkel and flippers. As for the 'financial cabal'. You do know London is the financial capital of Europe? The same City that universally thinks Brexit is a rubbish idea?

You don't understand what I'm saying, do you? You miss the point completely.

Day-to-day transparent financial dealings are one thing. The BIG multi-national/global decisions are made way behind the scenes that neither you nor I know about. If you don't believe that, well...