Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

problem being Bruce, May didn't want to leave as many in parliament didn't, so no real desire to get on with it, they have let the EU set the agenda instead of themselves and quite frankly look a shambles.

I don't buy that. Yes, May was a lukewarm remainer but Davis, Fox and Johnson were all Brexiters, and they have the main ministerial positions for overseeing this thing. If you like, May has had to step in because of the job they've been doing. If you require someone as hopeless as May to help you out then it doesn't say much for your own abilities.

 

[peteblue]

The pound has tanked to a level where it really doesn't need to be, and you have the temerity to call 'cobblers'? lol

Exports have increased due to the tanked currency, but we have a trade deficit ffs, and therefore inflation is touching 3%.

Your selective poll selection wasn't one that asks the simple question, given the chance again which way would you vote, and those polls currently have Remain ahead. You also swerved the simple facts around the country's demographics should there be another vote in 2/3 years time.

Stop press: Labour have just refused to rule out a 2nd referendum......

At what level would you like the pound ?.....

 

[peteblue]

The international trade expert strikes again.

The deficit is increasing all the time but possibly the most worrying feature recently is that trade with non Eu countries is only decreasing. We are becoming increasingly reliant on trade with the EU the further we get into this Article 50 timeline.

You haven't a clue what a deficit is do you ?......

 

[peteblue]

The vote to leave was well over a year ago Pete. Why has it taken the government so long to even get to a 'mission statement'? I don't think it's asking much here for the people who campaigned for this to be at a slightly more advanced stage than platitudes, don't you?

Hold on, you were asking why the PM didn't give details and I answered it. Now you're talking about the UK Exit department, make up your mind......

 

[peteblue]

What May said and the reality.

"I am clear that the guarantee I am giving on your rights is real. And I doubt anyone with real experience of the UK would doubt the independence of our courts or of the rigour with which they will uphold people’s legal rights".

EU nationals deportation letters an 'unfortunate error', says May
Home Office mistakenly sent up to 100 letters to EU citizens telling them to leave UK or face removal

The rigour with which Tory politicians uphold the rule of Law.

"The Home Office ignored judges on three occasions to deport asylum seeker Samim Bigzad. It’s hard to overstate the significance of this."

No wonder the EU negotiators don't believe what the Tories say when faced with what is happening.

So is that it, from her whole speech, you can pick her up over an acknowledged error......if she said today is Wednesday you'd be trashing what she said........I thought we could stop the party politics now that we are well into the run up to leaving......

 

[peteblue]

You lot are getting a bit desperate on here. FLHD demands more time for implementation, and she proposes it, Bruce wants the rights of EU nationals guaranteed and she offers to write it into U.K. Law, Hull wants no boarder controls between NI and the South and the UK has already said there won't be any, Joey Mac wants to make a fool of himself and he's done so again, so just what is it, apart from reversing the result, that you guys want ?........

 

[joey_macmo]

You haven't a clue what a deficit is do you ?......

Is it something you only learn when you reach 60? Never heard of it

 

[peteblue]

Is it something you only learn when you reach 60? Never heard of it

Q.E.D.......

 

[joey_macmo]

Pete ignoring the content of the posts & going after the posters instead.

The more things change the more they stay the same.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You lot are getting a bit desperate on here. FLHD demands more time for implementation, and she proposes it, Bruce wants the rights of EU nationals guaranteed and she offers to write it into U.K. Law, Hull wants no boarder controls between NI and the South and the UK has already said there won't be any, Joey Mac wants to make a fool of himself and he's done so again, so just what is it, apart from reversing the result, that you guys want ?........

I think you'll find that we were discussing the lack of clarity in her speech and the fact that hardline Brexiteers appear to be extremely eager for the negotiations to somehow fail.

 

[peteblue]

I think you'll find that we were discussing the lack of clarity in her speech and the fact that hardline Brexiteers appear to be extremely eager for the negotiations to somehow fail.

Exactly what, in her speech, do you not understand ? Where has it been shown that Brexiteers want negotiations to fail ?....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Exactly what, in her speech do you not understand ? Where has it been shown that Brexiteers want negotiations to fail ?....

I understood what she said perfectly, but there was a complete lack of detail and not even a mention of Ireland. So I get the EU's response, as I agree with them.

Ever since Friday the Tory press and the fusty old Brexiteers have been gunning for her to start with and then leapt all over the EU's rational responses to declare intransigence and that we should just do one - you included. It's laughable.

 

[peteblue]

I understood what she said perfectly, but there was a complete lack of detail and not even a mention of Ireland. So I get the EU's response, as I agree with them.

Ever since Friday the Tory press and the fusty old Brexiteers have been gunning for her to start with and then leapt all over the EU's rational responses to declare intransigence and that we should just do one - you included. It's laughable.

You didn't read the speech did you ?

Regarding Ireland......which of course she didn't even mention.......

"For example, we have recognised from the outset there are unique issues to consider when it comes to Northern Ireland.

The UK government, the Irish government and the EU as a whole have been clear that through the process of our withdrawal we will protect progress made in Northern Ireland over recent years – and the lives and livelihoods that depend on this progress.

As part of this, we and the EU have committed to protecting the Belfast Agreement and the Common Travel Area and, looking ahead, we have both stated explicitly that we will not accept any physical infrastructure at the border.

We owe it to the people of Northern Ireland – and indeed to everyone on the island of Ireland - to see through these commitments."......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Hold on, you were asking why the PM didn't give details and I answered it. Now you're talking about the UK Exit department, make up your mind......

I'll try and spell it out Pete. You were complaining that the EU weren't gushing in their praise at May's speech. They explained, quite clearly that the principles in the speech were fine, but they needed to see a lot more detail before they can move on.

It's not hard to read between the lines that what May said in her speech is certainly not what Davis and his team have been delivering during the negotiations, as if they were on the same page then Barnier would have the details he requests.

The reality is that it's taken all of this time, and a number of quite humiliating reality checks for the Brexit trio to be sufficiently cuckolded to need May to outline a more realistic 'mission statement' in her speech.

You lot are getting a bit desperate on here. FLHD demands more time for implementation, and she proposes it, Bruce wants the rights of EU nationals guaranteed and she offers to write it into U.K. Law, Hull wants no boarder controls between NI and the South and the UK has already said there won't be any, Joey Mac wants to make a fool of himself and he's done so again, so just what is it, apart from reversing the result, that you guys want ?........

The proof of the pudding is in the eating Pete. A8 nationals are so taken by what the government have said about migrants that net migration has plummeted to zero. They may not have been able to vote with a tick in a box, but they certainly seem to be voting with their feet.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

You didn't read the speech did you ?

Regarding Ireland......which of course she didn't even mention.......

"For example, we have recognised from the outset there are unique issues to consider when it comes to Northern Ireland.

The UK government, the Irish government and the EU as a whole have been clear that through the process of our withdrawal we will protect progress made in Northern Ireland over recent years – and the lives and livelihoods that depend on this progress.

As part of this, we and the EU have committed to protecting the Belfast Agreement and the Common Travel Area and, looking ahead, we have both stated explicitly that we will not accept any physical infrastructure at the border.

We owe it to the people of Northern Ireland – and indeed to everyone on the island of Ireland - to see through these commitments."......

I should have realised that you'd resort to semantics, what does any of that waffle actually mean? What is the solution she's put forward there?

There isn't one ffs.

Welcome to the point.