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Open borders to all - I like your thinking.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
As an aside, I see that Chief of the Defence Staff, Air Chief Marshal Sir Stuart Peach has been voted in to assume Chairmanship of NATO's military committee, the second top job in NATO. This is in spite of him being the most qualified for the job, yet political elements of the EU didn't want anyone from the UK. However in these uncertain times it seems that the east European countries and Baltic states, who really understand the UK's involvement in their defence, outvoted the usual suspects (with friends like these.....) to ensure his appointment.......
peteblue
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Open borders to everyone we need.......
I didn't have you down as a fan of planned economies Pete.
peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
Like him or loath him, Farage does have a way of focusing in on the EU.....
"Dubbing Mr Juncker’s audacious “state of the union” address in the European Parliament a “very significant moment for Brexit”, Mr Farage said: “What Juncker said has killed off stone dead any prospect of a second referendum in this country because they would have no chance whatsoever of winning now. No more exemptions? No more opt outs? Let’s all join the euro, be ruled by a supreme European Court, extend Schengen and have an EU army?
“Who in their right mind would vote for that? It’s a fantasy. If a referendum was held on that basis the other side wouldn’t even get 20 per cent. This shows the argument that we should remain in the EU to maintain the status quo as complete nonsense. There is no status quo, there is only a more and more federalised Europe. So there will be no second referendum.”
Mr Juncker’s speech brought derision from across Europe.
Germany’s Die Welt newspaper called it “absurd,” asking on which “star the EU spaceship and its captain Juncker have spent the past years”.
"Dubbing Mr Juncker’s audacious “state of the union” address in the European Parliament a “very significant moment for Brexit”, Mr Farage said: “What Juncker said has killed off stone dead any prospect of a second referendum in this country because they would have no chance whatsoever of winning now. No more exemptions? No more opt outs? Let’s all join the euro, be ruled by a supreme European Court, extend Schengen and have an EU army?
“Who in their right mind would vote for that? It’s a fantasy. If a referendum was held on that basis the other side wouldn’t even get 20 per cent. This shows the argument that we should remain in the EU to maintain the status quo as complete nonsense. There is no status quo, there is only a more and more federalised Europe. So there will be no second referendum.”
Mr Juncker’s speech brought derision from across Europe.
Germany’s Die Welt newspaper called it “absurd,” asking on which “star the EU spaceship and its captain Juncker have spent the past years”.
Both sides told lies though - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41301049
peteblue
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I think the issue is that some people are concentrating on the numbers while Boris is concentrating on the words. The absolute number available after rebates etc etc is lower than £350M, however the overall gross contribution is £361M before rebates etc. Boris is talking about the fact that once out, the UK has total control over the £361M, and indeed that is what he said in his article, 'control', while his detractors are focusing on the availability of the net EU figure which is lower.....it's all about language really.....
Article on what the UK pays. Needless to say it is not £350 per week as claimed by Johnson and backed up by Gove and Rees-Mogg.
Download Who pays for the EU and how much does it cost the UK Disentangling fact from fiction in the EU Budget - Professor Iain Begg
What it shows is that a countries contributions are made up of a percentage of their GNI - gross national income, Traditional own resources - customs duties from imports into a country which fluctuates as the EU signs trade agreements and VAT.
In 2015 the UK was billed £17.7 billion this included GNI, ToR - £3.2 billion and VAT - £2.5 billion. ToR payments - paid for by the country which is exporting to the UK - were £3.2 billion which meant the UK was due to pay £17.7 - £3.2 billion = £14.5 billion.
The UK got a rebate of £4.8 billion = £14.5 billion - £4.8 = £9.7 billion and money for agriculture etc. of £4.4 billion = £9.7 billion - £4.4 billion = £5.3 billion. The UK also gets money for universities and research of £1.4 billion = £5.3 billion = £3.9 billion.
The net cost in 2015 was £3.9 billion which is roughly £80 million per week.
Johnson got caught out with the £350 million per week blatant lie and has never accepted being found out. He is attempting to resurrect this claim and thinks he can get away with it. But all it shows is what a buffoon the man really is and doesn't know his backside from his elbow.
Download Who pays for the EU and how much does it cost the UK Disentangling fact from fiction in the EU Budget - Professor Iain Begg
What it shows is that a countries contributions are made up of a percentage of their GNI - gross national income, Traditional own resources - customs duties from imports into a country which fluctuates as the EU signs trade agreements and VAT.
In 2015 the UK was billed £17.7 billion this included GNI, ToR - £3.2 billion and VAT - £2.5 billion. ToR payments - paid for by the country which is exporting to the UK - were £3.2 billion which meant the UK was due to pay £17.7 - £3.2 billion = £14.5 billion.
The UK got a rebate of £4.8 billion = £14.5 billion - £4.8 = £9.7 billion and money for agriculture etc. of £4.4 billion = £9.7 billion - £4.4 billion = £5.3 billion. The UK also gets money for universities and research of £1.4 billion = £5.3 billion = £3.9 billion.
The net cost in 2015 was £3.9 billion which is roughly £80 million per week.
Johnson got caught out with the £350 million per week blatant lie and has never accepted being found out. He is attempting to resurrect this claim and thinks he can get away with it. But all it shows is what a buffoon the man really is and doesn't know his backside from his elbow.
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peteblue
Welcome back Wayne
As I said, I think the issue is about language. All these numbers are wonderful but just go to show that we don't actually control them, which is what Boris is on about. Oh and in your figures, while the originating countries pay ToR, that money still belonged to the UK because we imported the goods, but we only get to keep 20% of it.......
It's a blatant fib Pete. The rebate means that a large chunk of that doesn't even leave the public purse, so to then claim that we'll have control over how that's spent is akin to booking money twice into the accounts. It's fundamentally dishonest. He and Gove banged on about not being able to trust 'experts' during the referendum, but it would be nice if he lead by example and stopped trying to deliberately mislead people from his position of power and influence.
On a side note, it's interesting to see that migration from the A8 nations fell last year to net zero (ie as many left as arrived). I suppose it's one strategy to reduce migration - making the UK an increasingly unattractive choice for people to come to.
peteblue
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Many factors I expect Bruce, with the value of the £ being one of them and the EU's reluctance to agree a deal. It doesn't affect those of us who permanently live here though and indeed UK manufacturing has now overtaken that of France. If the A8 country citizens can find a better working environment elsewhere or indeed at home, then go for it.....
Of course it does as anything we import from elsewhere is now more expensive. The missus and I hosted a family party in Czech this summer and it cost us several hundred pounds more just because of the depreciation of the pound. I can only imagine the hit if you have to import goods and services on a large scale, or indeed rely on attracting talent for your business. That's what I find baffling to be honest. We have a chronic shortage of nurses (for instance), and you seem to shrug your shoulders that we're making it less welcoming for nurses to come to Britain from the EU. I've no doubt you'll retort that we should train our own, but that's been an option for decades and it's never happened, so expecting some kind of transformation seems a tad optimistic.
Friend to the UK Donald Trump is so supportive of free trade he's got into a squabble with the Canadians and has come down firmly on the side of Boeing over Bombardier, which may have an impact on the Bombardier factory in Northern Ireland. The GMB have come out today urging May to intervene and secure the jobs.
It's great when free trade looks so much like rent-seeking. Draining the swamp indeed.
It's great when free trade looks so much like rent-seeking. Draining the swamp indeed.
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