Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Juncker...."Europe would function better if we were to merge the Presidents of the European Commission and the European Council."

He doesn't see that the European Council is the equivalent of the UK Cabinet without portfolio, that the EU Commission is the equivalent of our Civil Service and the EU Parliament the equivalent of Parliament. He's sees the Commission as the boss, and himself as the overall EU President, hence his grand State of the Union address. A couple of countries have already started to shoot this down, but as always with the EU, what gets proposed eventually gets brought in via the back door. Earlier today, to much applause, Farage told the MEP's that todays attacks made by Verhofstadt upon Poland, Hungary etc, would only remind them the way the Soviet Union operated and its move to allow pan European MEP's with selected parties funded by the EU while other parties are excluded from funding, would only push it along the way.

There are many on here getting hot under the collar about a time limited, committee controlled oversight in the potential use of Henry VIII. Meanwhile this EU superstate moves further and further away from public representation.......

 

[peteblue]

weren't you just harping awhile back about how immigrants coming here to work is what's driving down wages though?



they do sound like proper [poor language removed], those foreigners - simultaneously lowering wages for our boys by working like dogs for a pittance, while also lazing about watching telly all day on benefits and using our NHS like some sort of luxury resort!!!

For some people they have. They have also been exploited, but no one seems bothered by that.....

 

[Fedlingen]

Juncker...."Europe would function better if we were to merge the Presidents of the European Commission and the European Council."

He doesn't see that the European Council is the equivalent of the UK Cabinet without portfolio, that the EU Commission is the equivalent of our Civil Service and the EU Parliament the equivalent of Parliament. He's sees the Commission as the boss, and himself as the overall EU President, hence his grand State of the Union address. A couple of countries have already started to shoot this down, but as always with the EU, what gets proposed eventually gets brought in via the back door. Earlier today, to much applause, Farage told the MEP's that todays attacks made by Verhofstadt upon Poland, Hungary etc, would only remind them the way the Soviet Union operated and its move to allow pan European MEP's with selected parties funded by the EU while other parties are excluded from funding, would only push it along the way.

There are many on here getting hot under the collar about a time limited, committee controlled oversight in the potential use of Henry VIII. Meanwhile this EU superstate moves further and further away from public representation.......

To be honest, the greatest thing about Brexit is that'll i can happilly forget about that absolute nutter Farage as soon as you leave xD

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The EU has what are ostensibly liberal values at its heart. If Poland and Hungary want to behave in very illiberal ways, then they should perhaps reconsider their membership of the EU. It's not that hard to comprehend.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

For some people they have. They have also been exploited, but no one seems bothered by that.....

So Brexit is a humanitarian thing now? I've heard it all.

 

[Fedlingen]

So Brexit is a humanitarian thing now? lol I've heard it all.

Brexit appears to be about whatever is handy at a specific point of time.

 

[abelard]

The EU has what are ostensibly liberal values at its heart. If Poland and Hungary want to behave in very illiberal ways, then they should perhaps reconsider their membership of the EU. It's not that hard to comprehend.

Try telling that to people in Athens

Did you read the article about Poland that I posted a while back? Sometimes things are more complicated than 500 words in the Economist lead us to believe.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Try telling that to people in Athens

Did you read the article about Poland that I posted a while back? Sometimes things are more complicated than 500 words in the Economist lead us to believe.

The people in Athens are in a mess because their government are/were utterly incompetent. It's quite probable that they shouldn't have been admitted into the Euro, but they lied their way into that so it seems rather rich to blame their problems on anyone but themselves.

 

[peteblue]

The EU has what are ostensibly liberal values at its heart. If Poland and Hungary want to behave in very illiberal ways, then they should perhaps reconsider their membership of the EU. It's not that hard to comprehend.

So if they decide to leave does that mean that the EU should continue to fund them until the end of the next financial cycle and maybe pay them a leaving fee.......

 

[peteblue]

The people in Athens are in a mess because their government are/were utterly incompetent. It's quite probable that they shouldn't have been admitted into the Euro, but they lied their way into that so it seems rather rich to blame their problems on anyone but themselves.

Who is at fault, the one who told the 'lie' or the one that looked the other way to allow them entry ?.....

 

[abelard]

The people in Athens are in a mess because their government are/were utterly incompetent. It's quite probable that they shouldn't have been admitted into the Euro, but they lied their way into that so it seems rather rich to blame their problems on anyone but themselves.

The EU would be a more plausible emblem of virtue if it hadn't desperately attempted to keep those same corrupt, incompetent officials in place in order to impose a depression on Greece as a roundabout way of bailing out German and French banks - lest they otherwise face something approaching an actual "free market" consequence for having squandered so much on such an obviously inept government. They did so only in the knowledge from the outset that the EU - read Germany - would rescue them.

If the EU wants to know where the tax money in Greece actually went, it should look no further than secret accounts in the banks of its own commissioner's home country.

The fact that leaving would be a disaster for Britain doesn't redeem the EU.

 

[peteblue]

Brexit appears to be about whatever is handy at a specific point of time.

Brexit is happening. The pro's and con's will continue to be debated, UK law will slowly grind out the changes, businesses will adapt and grow, deals will be done or not. But on Friday 29th March 2019 we leave the EU, and we can wish the EU nothing but happiness as they do their own thing and we do ours........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So if they decide to leave does that mean that the EU should continue to fund them until the end of the next financial cycle and maybe pay them a leaving fee.......

It still amazes me how you're not getting this Pete. If the EU had agreed to fund a bridge in Athens, and that construction was due to take 5 years, then yes, I would imagine they would honour that agreement. It's got bugger all to do with a 'leaving fee'.

 

[peteblue]

the EU would be a more plausible emblem of virtue if it hadn't desperately attempted to keep those same incompetent officials in place in order to impose a depression on Greece as a roundabout way of bailing out German and French banks - lest they otherwise face something approaching an actual "free market" consequence for having squandered so much on such an obviously inept government. They did so only in the knowledge from the outset that the EU -read Germany - would bail them out.

If the EU wants to know where the money in Greece actually went, it should look no further than the banks of the home country of its own commissioner.

The fact that leaving would be a disaster for Britain doesn't redeem the EU.

The UK will be fine thanks.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Who is at fault, the one who told the 'lie' or the one that looked the other way to allow them entry ?.....

Do you really think that the EU would have allowed Greece entry to the Eurozone if they'd have known the extent to which they'd cooked the books and how they intended to use their new found credit rating?

Greece brought about its own issues, you could argue that what's happened since could have been different, but to suggest that the EU is equally culpable in how they got to the point of bankruptcy is nonsense