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[Joey66]

Being more serious for a minute though. The problem isn't that all of these laws are being put onto the statute book, it's that this clause allows the government to change/scrap any of those laws without requiring parliamentary approval.

If you were being charitable, you might argue that such is the bulk of regulations being brought in-house, it would impractical to labour parliament with such work, and that might be the case for such laws that require basic administrative changes in order to apply here. The problem is that it also gives the government the ability to change laws that are actually quite good and quite valuable, with no parliamentary oversight, and in doing so gives them power over one set of laws that they have over no other laws.

IFS and BUTTS and pots and pans Bruce - it may be a corbyn government who implements it????????......

 

[peteblue]

I see Dennis Skinner voted with the government on this.

Yes, together with Frank Field and Kate Hoey....

 

[peteblue]

Being more serious for a minute though. The problem isn't that all of these laws are being put onto the statute book, it's that this clause allows the government to change/scrap any of those laws without requiring parliamentary approval.

If you were being charitable, you might argue that such is the bulk of regulations being brought in-house, it would impractical to labour parliament with such work, and that might be the case for such laws that require basic administrative changes in order to apply here. The problem is that it also gives the government the ability to change laws that are actually quite good and quite valuable, with no parliamentary oversight, and in doing so gives them power over one set of laws that they have over no other laws.

These laws were mostly adopted without Parliament oversight in the first place. There is talk of setting up a special committee to recommend the scrutiny require,i.e. Parliament or not.....this argument is all smoke and mirrors put about by Labour who thought they may be able to defeat the Government......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Be careful you may overtake @Bruce Wayne when your argument goes up in smoke!lol
roll on Brexit - Corbyn playing silly games - may will be gone shortly - this hung parliment will ensure a better Brexit!

Yours just has mate, hence that response i.e. I torched it

I don't currently see any favourable outcome for Brexit that relates to the Tories weak position. Their language of late has appeared to revert back to the cliff edge Brexit that will be the most damaging outcome.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

These laws were mostly adopted without Parliament oversight in the first place. There is talk of setting up a special committee to recommend the scrutiny require,i.e. Parliament or not.....this argument is all smoke and mirrors put about by Labour who thought they may be able to defeat the Government......

Which is why plenty of Tory back benchers have been saying the same things all week in the House, despite voting for it at the first reading....

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...u-withdrawal-bill-brexit-stance-conservatives

 

[peteblue]

Which is why plenty of Tory back benchers have been saying the same things all week in the House, despite voting for it at the first reading....

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...u-withdrawal-bill-brexit-stance-conservatives

They have been preparing for amendments. The Bill was still required. Labour voting against introducing the Bill was just a cynical political ploy. But hey, they are the opposition, that's what they do.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

They have been preparing for amendments. The Bill was still required. Labour voting against introducing the Bill was just a cynical political ploy. But hey, they are the opposition, that's what they do.....

There was never any suggestion that a bill wasn't required, merely that the current offering wasn't acceptable as it gave way too much leeway to the Govt to make amendments to our statute without Parliamentary scrutiny. Voting it down and sending them back to the drawing board would have ensured the amendments........

 

[peteblue]

There was never any suggestion that a bill wasn't required, merely that the current offering wasn't acceptable as it gave way too much leeway to the Govt to make amendments to our statute without Parliamentary scrutiny. Voting it down and sending them back to the drawing board would have ensured the amendments........

It was stupid. They look bad to the people who they told at the GE that they were the party to manage Brexit, they look disorganised regarding what their position is over the EU and are trying to be all things to all men and remain in the single market. When even Dennis Skinner votes with the government you know that something isn't right.......

 

[peteblue]

Yours just has mate, hence that response i.e. I torched it

I don't currently see any favourable outcome for Brexit that relates to the Tories weak position. Their language of late has appeared to revert back to the cliff edge Brexit that will be the most damaging outcome.

Eu deal, no Eu deal, it doesn't really matter to the UK. More and more people are coming around to the fact that WTO rules will have almost no effect upon the UK but will effect certain countries in Europe.....

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

It was stupid. They look bad to the people who they told at the GE that they were the party to manage Brexit, they look disorganised regarding what their position is over the EU and are trying to be all things to all men and remain in the single market. When even Dennis Skinner votes with the government you know that something isn't right.......

By trying to vote a Bill that left the Govt with carte blanche to do what it liked with our statute?

No Pete, this is being twisted by the right wing media and Brexiteers into a supposed affront to democracy, for Labour having the temerity to challenge the repeal bill, which in itself is an affront to our Parliamentary democracy. It's laughable.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Eu deal, no Eu deal, it doesn't really matter to the UK. More and more people are coming around to the fact that WTO rules will have almost no effect upon the UK but will effect certain countries in Europe.....

Go and read up on how completely unprepared we are for dealing with our exit from the Customs Union and the implications of it should we leave with no deal and take the cliff edge WTO option. The flippancy around this entire issue is frighteningly ignorant

 

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[Joey66]

By trying to vote a Bill that left the Govt with carte blanche to do what it liked with our statute?

No Pete, this is being twisted by the right wing media and Brexiteers into a supposed affront to democracy, for Labour having the temerity to challenge the repeal bill, which in itself is an affront to our Parliamentary democracy. It's laughable.

It got passed - just like when the EU put treaties on us - no debate of time length then just passed with the henry the V!!! laws in it - no fuss then so why make stories up now like power grab just labour smelling blood - backfired as usual I admire the 7 Labour Mps for pushing it through last night - after all Corbyn did that all his life against his own party!lol
Hypocrisy at its best!
Noticed they were good labour Mps who defied him on a 3 line whip too

 

[peteblue]

Go and read up on how completely unprepared we are for dealing with our exit from the Customs Union and the implications of it should we leave with no deal and take the cliff edge WTO option. The flippancy around this entire issue is frighteningly ignorant

It works both ways. The UK wants a deal, I've no doubt certain EU countries are desperate for a deal, the only things stopping it is the EU. There will be practical problems utilising WTO rules and many process changes required, but financially, because tariffs would be applied in both directions, we would be able to reimburse UK companies and the exchequer make a few billion to boot, with the EU footing the bill. This is not flippancy.....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Eu deal, no Eu deal, it doesn't really matter to the UK. More and more people are coming around to the fact that WTO rules will have almost no effect upon the UK but will effect certain countries in Europe.....

I can only conclude you know not a single European living and working here if you really think that's the case Pete, much less anyone that trades with Europe.