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[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Regardless of your view on Brexit, to throw away the concept of parliamentary democracy in this way is disgraceful.

Taking back control indeed. You've swapped a make believe legal dictatorship for what theoretically amounts to an actual one. Bravo.

This ^

What's truly disgraceful is the lack of spine from some of the Labour back benchers on this. Frightened to death that voting against this blatantly opportunist bill in it's current format will somehow be construed as a vote against the 'will of the people' by the desperately stupid.

This bill has nothing to do with the Brexit vote itself. it's solely about how this Govt can amend the statute at will, without proper scrutiny, by way of evoking a Medieval statute from 1539 ffs.

 

[Joey66]

I see Dennis Skinner voted with the government on this.

A tv documentary on him coming soon -look forward to a man with principles !.....

 

[Joey66]

This ^

What's truly disgraceful is the lack of spine from some of the Labour back benchers on this. Frightened to death that voting against this blatantly opportunist bill in it's current format will somehow be construed as a vote against the 'will of the people' by the desperately stupid.

This bill has nothing to do with the Brexit vote itself. it's solely about how this Govt can amend the statute at will, without proper scrutiny, by way of evoking a Medieval statute from 1539 ffs.

Its called democrocy they voted what their constituents wanted no playing polictical games!
-Remember that big referendum vote high turn out and OUT won!
Si Vince cable on LBC this am - some guy told him stright he was not a democrat - the guy who sold the post office shares of to cheaply and you want to follow his undemocratic principles of another referendum ?

 

[Joey66]

History will judge those cowards who sided with the government or abstained to turn the UK into a dictatorship.

History will prove what a anchor around our countries neck it really was!
it will take time but we will be better off!

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Its called democrocy they voted what their constituents wanted no playing polictical games!
-Remember that big referendum vote high turn out and OUT won!
Si Vince cable on LBC this am - some guy told him stright he was not a democrat - the guy who sold the post office shares of to cheaply and you want to follow his undemocratic principles of another referendum ?

What part of the fact that this bill has precisely nothing to do with the referendum result are you struggling with Joey?

Well done for proving my point perfectly though mate

 

[Joey66]

What part of the fact that this bill has precisely nothing to do with the referendum result are you struggling with Joey?

Well done for proving my point perfectly though mate

Your whingeing about Labour MPs they are just being democratic - they got comfortable majorities live with the vote - in fact do you ever agree with any vote that goes against you????????......

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Your whingeing about Labour MPs they are just being democratic - they got comfortable majorities live with the vote - in fact do you ever agree with any vote that goes against you????????......

You're unwittingly proving my point to an absolute tee mate...

Excuse me if I find the idea of dredging up a statute from 1539 in order to give the Tories complete carte blanche to amend our statute pre and post our exit from the EU, somewhat troubling.

The irony of you shouting about democracy, whilst advocating the idea that they'll be able to circumvent our parliamentary democracy at their behest is beyond hilarious.

Take back control......................and give it to a Tory Govt who can undermine our parliamentary democracy as they see fit.

Field was playing to the audience of people exactly like you, who hear the word Brexit in relation to anything and firstly automatically assume that whatever it is, is great and secondly that to argue against anything that in any way relates to how Brexit will work is somehow undemocratic.

 

[neil999]

This must be costing an awful lot off money and time...lets use that money and time on our NHS!

oh..

 

[Joey66]

You're unwittingly proving my point to an absolute tee mate...

Excuse me if I find the idea of dredging up a statute from 1539 in order to give the Tories complete carte blanche to amend our statute pre and post our exit from the EU, somewhat troubling.

The irony of you shouting about democracy, whilst advocating the idea that they'll be able to circumvent our parliamentary democracy at their behest is beyond hilarious.

Take back control......................and give it to a Tory Govt who can undermine our parliamentary democracy as they see fit.

Field was playing to the audience of people exactly like you, who hear the word Brexit in relation to anything and firstly automatically assume that whatever it is, is great and secondly that to argue against anything that in any way relates to how Brexit will work is somehow undemocratic.

The Henry the V111 rule was passed when we signed all EU treaties no fuss then but a fuss now we have democratically voted to leave the EU!?????????????????

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Henry the V111 rule was passed when we signed all EU treaties no fuss then but a fuss now we have democratically voted to leave the EU!?????????????????

I protested Joe. I wasn't alive, but I still protested.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The Henry the V111 rule was passed when we signed all EU treaties no fuss then but a fuss now we have democratically voted to leave the EU!?????????????????

Being more serious for a minute though. The problem isn't that all of these laws are being put onto the statute book, it's that this clause allows the government to change/scrap any of those laws without requiring parliamentary approval.

If you were being charitable, you might argue that such is the bulk of regulations being brought in-house, it would impractical to labour parliament with such work, and that might be the case for such laws that require basic administrative changes in order to apply here. The problem is that it also gives the government the ability to change laws that are actually quite good and quite valuable, with no parliamentary oversight, and in doing so gives them power over one set of laws that they have over no other laws.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

The Henry the V111 rule was passed when we signed all EU treaties no fuss then but a fuss now we have democratically voted to leave the EU!?????????????????

When section 2(2) of the 1972 Act has been employed as a basis for secondary legislation, it has been used to implement EU legislation that has already undergone considerable scrutiny at EU level (by member states and the European Parliament). In contrast, Parliament’s scrutiny of UK statutory instruments is widely regarded as seriously deficient (not least because there is no power to propose amendments).

It also raises important questions for Whitehall: in particular, it is not clear that the Government Legal Department (whose numbers have been very substantially reduced in recent years) will have the capacity to take on the amount of extra work that needs to be done, at least without a substantial recruitment campaign. And expertise in the numerous technical and policy areas affected cannot be acquired overnight.

So there is a serious risk that swathes of legislation, drafted in a hurry by overworked civil servants with inadequate knowledge of the areas concerned, will be waived through without Parliament having the means or capacity to scrutinise effectively what is being proposed. The extent of Parliamentary scrutiny depends on the terms of the parent act, and in most cases Parliament’s control is limited to approving, or rejecting, the instrument as laid before it: it cannot (except in very rare cases) amend or change it. Not only would that sit uneasily with many leavers’ concerns to improve democratic control of the executive and to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, but it would create the risk of generating serious costs for business in dealing with inadequate, unclear, or even perverse, legislation. The scale of the task of getting this right should not be underestimated by either Parliament or Whitehall. Parliament will need to make certain, as it considers the Great Repeal Bill, that the powers that the Bill is bound to confer on ministers should be exercisable only after proper scrutiny by Parliament and after wide consultation and careful consideration. If the price of a quick Brexit is rushed and incoherent legislation, prepared with inadequate democratic scrutiny and giving rise to substantial costs to business, even many leavers will wonder if that is a price worth paying.

https://www.monckton.com/the-great-repeal-bill-a-giant-henry-viii-clause/

 

[abelard]

Its called democrocy they voted what their constituents wanted no playing polictical games!
-Remember that big referendum vote high turn out and OUT won!
Si Vince cable on LBC this am - some guy told him stright he was not a democrat - the guy who sold the post office shares of to cheaply and you want to follow his undemocratic principles of another referendum ?

Your whingeing about Labour MPs they are just being democratic - they got comfortable majorities live with the vote - in fact do you ever agree with any vote that goes against you????????......

The Henry the V111 rule was passed when we signed all EU treaties no fuss then but a fuss now we have democratically voted to leave the EU!?????????????????

It's like the Daily Mail, written by James Joyce

Welcome back!

 

[Joey66]

When section 2(2) of the 1972 Act has been employed as a basis for secondary legislation, it has been used to implement EU legislation that has already undergone considerable scrutiny at EU level (by member states and the European Parliament). In contrast, Parliament’s scrutiny of UK statutory instruments is widely regarded as seriously deficient (not least because there is no power to propose amendments).

It also raises important questions for Whitehall: in particular, it is not clear that the Government Legal Department (whose numbers have been very substantially reduced in recent years) will have the capacity to take on the amount of extra work that needs to be done, at least without a substantial recruitment campaign. And expertise in the numerous technical and policy areas affected cannot be acquired overnight.

So there is a serious risk that swathes of legislation, drafted in a hurry by overworked civil servants with inadequate knowledge of the areas concerned, will be waived through without Parliament having the means or capacity to scrutinise effectively what is being proposed. The extent of Parliamentary scrutiny depends on the terms of the parent act, and in most cases Parliament’s control is limited to approving, or rejecting, the instrument as laid before it: it cannot (except in very rare cases) amend or change it. Not only would that sit uneasily with many leavers’ concerns to improve democratic control of the executive and to restore Parliamentary sovereignty, but it would create the risk of generating serious costs for business in dealing with inadequate, unclear, or even perverse, legislation. The scale of the task of getting this right should not be underestimated by either Parliament or Whitehall. Parliament will need to make certain, as it considers the Great Repeal Bill, that the powers that the Bill is bound to confer on ministers should be exercisable only after proper scrutiny by Parliament and after wide consultation and careful consideration. If the price of a quick Brexit is rushed and incoherent legislation, prepared with inadequate democratic scrutiny and giving rise to substantial costs to business, even many leavers will wonder if that is a price worth paying.

https://www.monckton.com/the-great-repeal-bill-a-giant-henry-viii-clause/

Be careful you may overtake @Bruce Wayne when your argument goes up in smoke!lol
roll on Brexit - Corbyn playing silly games - may will be gone shortly - this hung parliment will ensure a better Brexit!

 

[Joey66]

It's like the Daily Mail, written by James Joyce

Welcome back!

Your welcome I am a socialist never read the daily fail!