Current Affairs EU In or Out

[peteblue]

Right, you think there is a bigger difference between someone from Derry and someone from Donegal than someone from london and someone from New York? You're talking out of your hat!

If I understood any of that I might agree or disagree.....

 

[peteblue]

Sky poll right after he came back said 61% of people thought it wasn't what they wanted, just Google reaction to Cameron 's EU deal its page after page of it was a disaster.
Suppose if you were desperate to stay in , it might look like something to the rest it was seen for what it was , a tip of the hat to acknowledge the peasants excistance nothing more.

Indeed, Brexit was made by the EU in Brussels with the help of Merkel. They will never understand it.......

 

[JonS]

Those willing to leap into the unknown without anyone having a clue what it looked like and those who felt that the supposedly 'impossible' task of leading change from within was the better route, is how I see it.

Leaving a relationship is always scary.

I guess we differ in whether we think this one was worth persuing or whether it had gone beyond the point of any usefulness and it was better to quit.

 

[JonS]

You already are sovereign. In what scenario would you have an equal vote to the EU? The EU is not a country.
I get why you voted out, nationalism.

Let's not start getting hung up again on the meaning of the word sovereign. Most of us know what we are talking about when we say sovereign.

Those of us arguing for Brexit are saying that we want the ability to make our own decisions and when you asked which ones we couldn't make ourselves I gave you border policy and free trade agreements with countries outside the EU for starters.

You keep stating that the EU is bot a country and has no superstate ambitions or ambitions to have it's own army when it has said it has.

Not meaning to be rude by the way (aware the above comes over a bit abrupt!).

And apologies for some of my typos. On an earlier post facial became facial with the bloody autocorrect on my phone

 

[peteblue]

Those willing to leap into the unknown without anyone having a clue what it looked like and those who felt that the supposedly 'impossible' task of leading change from within was the better route, is how I see it.

Those without the courage to determine their own destiny versus those that will work and sort it out is how I see it.......

 

[Tubey]

Let's not start getting hung up again on the meaning of the word sovereign. Most of us know what we are talking about when we say sovereign.

We certainly do. It means "Little Englander needs to feel in control at all costs, whatever the consequences."

 

[JonS]

We certainly do. It means "Little Englander needs to feel in control at all costs, whatever the consequences."

That's your slant on it and not what it would say if you looked up the definition of the word.

To be frank the generalising of Brexiteers views is a bit tiresome.

Would you like to infer we are all racist while you are at it.

Once again failing to understand why much of the country voted how it did.

Out of touch...

 

[peteblue]

We certainly do. It means "Little Englander needs to feel in control at all costs, whatever the consequences."

That's quite disgraceful really Tubey. if I said you were a frightened europhile unable to stand on your own two feet and face the world, you might just get upset......

 

[joey_macmo]

That's quite disgraceful really Tubey. if I said you were a frightened europhile unable to stand on your own two feet and face the world, you might just get upset......

I suspect many would just laugh it off as the absurd opinion that it is.

 

[JonS]

And apologies for some of my typos. On an earlier post facial became facial with the bloody autocorrect on my phone

It's even more annoying when my correction gets autocorrected again. Let's try again. In another post I said contrary to some Remain voters fears Britain is not about to become a facist county and the bloody autocorrect corrected it to facial country.

Apologies for coming over like a loon.

 

[peteblue]

I suspect many would just laugh it off as the absurd opinion that it is.

I think Tubey's opinion deserves more appreciation than that.......

 

[Ruairi77]

Let's not start getting hung up again on the meaning of the word sovereign. Most of us know what we are talking about when we say sovereign.

Those of us arguing for Brexit are saying that we want the ability to make our own decisions and when you asked which ones we couldn't make ourselves I gave you border policy and free trade agreements with countries outside the EU for starters.

You keep stating that the EU is bot a country and has no superstate ambitions or ambitions to have it's own army when it has said it has.

Not meaning to be rude by the way (aware the above comes over a bit abrupt!).

And apologies for some of my typos. On an earlier post facial became facial with the bloody autocorrect on my phone

haha, had a giggle alright, is it facile? Edit, just saw your other post, fascist, got it!

On the sovereignty thing, I never asked which decisions you couldn't make yourselves. I get what you've seeded to Brussels. My point was, because you are sovereign, you can choose to reverse any of these decisions by leaving the union. If you were not Sovereign, you could not voluntarily leave and change those decisions.

In order for the EU to have it's own army, Ireland would have to give up it's neutrality. Any change to the EU constitution has to be put to a referendum and one that proposed a full EU army would most likely fail (multiple times )

So no, I don't foresee a super state. And I think it's rash to leave on the chance that it might happen.

 

[Ruairi77]

If I understood any of that I might agree or disagree.....

You said Britain has more in common with the US than the EU.
I think you're forgetting about (or ignoring) the part of the UK across the Irish sea and how much it will have in common with it's EU neighbor.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Oh, so where do you stand on the Gibraltar issue.....

What issue?

All I've seen is the EU putting one line in their negotiation paper about us having to discuss the solution for what happens there with Spain, and then some rabid old Tory idiot talking about sending a task force down there like we did with the Argies.

No one has mentioned Sovereignty of the rock, not the EU, not Spain. Is just another example of the ridiculous jingoism that's appearing and being driven by the Tories imo.

 

[Tubey]

That's your slant on it and not what it would say if you looked up the definition of the word.

To be frank the generalising of Brexiteers views is a bit tiresome.

Would you like to infer we are all racist while you are at it.

Once again failing to understand why much of the country voted how it did.

Out of touch...

Not at all - I was being accurate.

You want to be in control, and don't care about the consequences.

It is what it is. You didn't vote to leave for any rational reason beyond "take back control" - it was on every leaflet, every argument - in fact it was the argument.

So embrace it. It's not a stereotype; it's accuracy. Leave voters are generally English who can't tolerate anything being out of English control, and that is more valuable to them than economic prosperity.

So, again, that's your view - embrace it.

I mean, seriously, you typed this.

Id suggest that the real reason people voted as they did was according to whether they felt strongly about Britain being able to make its own decisions or whether they felt better in a union with the other countries.

I reckon it also has to do with how risk averse one is. Risk averse people are more likely to have voted remain whereas those more willing to take risks were more likely to have voted leave

How is that ANY different to what I typed?