Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

A lot of people think better to stay in and shape/improve/reform EU but I think it's difficult to impossible.

Id suggest that the real reason people voted as they did was according to whether they felt strongly about Britain being able to make its own decisions or whether they felt better in a union with the other countries.

I reckon it also has to do with how risk averse one is. Risk averse people are more likely to have voted remain whereas those more willing to take risks were more likely to have voted leave

Those willing to leap into the unknown without anyone having a clue what it looked like and those who felt that the supposedly 'impossible' task of leading change from within was the better route, is how I see it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

If Cameron had come back with anything off Merkel and her puppets, prior to the vote it would have been a win for remain nailed on, think people who thought it could be changed from within realised just how much distain the EU had for there concern s and flipped over to the leave side.
Myself i wanted out anyway but i realised they had shot themselves in the foot with that charade.

He did though, he didn't get everything he went for but to say he came back with nothing is simply wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

 

[peteblue]

Give us a free trade deal or we'll not share information on terrorist activity or continue with our NATO commitments?

Sounds like a plan Pete. Cunning.

Security operations and Military power costs money. Money which we have been paying for a great many years. Money which even now Germany and others refuse to spend. There is a value attached to this, which will run into many £Billions.
If they don't want to put a value on it we should be as selfish as they are.......

 

[peteblue]

Give us a free trade deal or we'll not share information on terrorist activity or continue with our NATO commitments?

Sounds like a plan Pete. Cunning.

Oh, so where do you stand on the Gibraltar issue.....

 

[edge]

He did though, he didn't get everything he went for but to say he came back with nothing is simply wrong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

Came back with nothing of any note , mostly waffle, even the bits about migrant benifits under what was already in place we could have had a more stringent regime if we wanted to stick to the EU quidelines on workers entering the country.
It was a pisstake , he knew it his party did and as did most of the country.
The EU paid him no regard as the thought the vote was in the bag.

 

[peteblue]

I dont think any citizen of the EU sees them selves as European ahead of their national identity.
I hear you on the trade thing, just seems like a huge price to pay for individual trade deals.
I thought you had it good in Europe, you had made some good deals and it worked well for both parties.
I think you could have negotiated even more favorable terms had you not called the referendum.
The more it continues, the more bizarre the decision seems to me.
I think a lot of people are using the hope of better economic fortune to hide a patriotism that's based on a rose tinted view of days of yore!
I think you've been pretty straight up about why you voted and I guess only time will tell whether you made the right decision.

Indeed, time will tell, but at least we will be free to pursue whatever course we require to put any failings right.........

 

[peteblue]

Not sure, but I reckon you're better in than out to shape these policies.

No mate, inside we are anonymous and outvoted, outside we have a voice that can't be dismissed.......

 

[peteblue]

If Cameron had come back with anything off Merkel and her puppets, prior to the vote it would have been a win for remain nailed on, think people who thought it could be changed from within realised just how much distain the EU had for there concern s and flipped over to the leave side.
Myself i wanted out anyway but i realised they had shot themselves in the foot with that charade.

This was the real driver for Brexit, the final realisation that they would offer nothing, that Merkel ruled the roost and our views counted for nothing.......

 

[Ruairi77]

No mate, inside we are anonymous and outvoted, outside we have a voice that can't be dismissed.......

errr. outside, you don't have a vote at all.

 

[peteblue]

Came back with nothing of any note , mostly waffle, even the bits about migrant benifits under what was already in place we could have had a more stringent regime if we wanted to stick to the EU quidelines on workers entering the country.
It was a pisstake , he knew it his party did and as did most of the country.
The EU paid him no regard as the thought the vote was in the bag.

Nailed it. We had to go cap in hand for a few crumbs that Merkel then introduced into German law without even bothering to ask the EU....they treated Cameron extremely badly, and we knew it......

 

[peteblue]

errr. outside, you don't have a vote at all.

Correct. But we will be a sovereign country with an equal voice to the EU. We still retain our UN Security Council position and economically, militarily and politically retain a well regarded position in the world. We have a voice again and do not have to follow the diktats from Brussels .........

 

[Ruairi77]

Correct. But we will be a sovereign country with an equal voice to the EU. We still retain our UN Security Council position and economically, militarily and politically retain a well regarded position in the world. We have a voice again and do not have to follow the diktats from Brussels .........

You already are sovereign. In what scenario would you have an equal vote to the EU? The EU is not a country.
I get why you voted out, nationalism.

 

[peteblue]

You already are sovereign. In what scenario would you have an equal vote to the EU? The EU is not a country.
I get why you voted out, nationalism.

No, the EU is trying to become a country and this is what I disagree with. If I wanted the UK to be subsumed into a greater country I would join the USA and not the EU who's people are far more removed from us than even those Yankees......

Why would we not have an equal voice ?.....

 

[Ruairi77]

No, the EU is trying to become a country and this is what I disagree with. If I wanted the UK to be subsumed into a greater country I would join the USA and not the EU who's people are far more removed from us than even those Yankees......

Why would we not have an equal voice ?.....

Right, you think there is a bigger difference between someone from Derry and someone from Donegal than someone from london and someone from New York? You're talking out of your hat!

 

[edge]

This was the real driver for Brexit, the final realisation that they would offer nothing, that Merkel ruled the roost and our views counted for nothing.......

Sky poll right after he came back said 61% of people thought it wasn't what they wanted, just Google reaction to Cameron 's EU deal its page after page of it was a disaster.
Suppose if you were desperate to stay in , it might look like something to the rest it was seen for what it was , a tip of the hat to acknowledge the peasants excistance nothing more.