you can then class the millionaires like Geldof and Branson, and big businesses who like the EU gravy train!
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They want to remain so its cheap available Euro labour for their businesses
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That's far from reality though. Most businesses wanted to remain in the EU to retain access to the single market and the customs union.
It's the loss of customs union access that'll cause businesses the most headaches, given that factories work on 'just in time' deliveries these days, as do the supermarkets, so imports and exports of components, raw materials and completed products will be far more cumbersome post Brexit.
Yes for cheap labour how did Butlins cope before mass imigration hey ho!
What is this cheap labour that you speak of? The stats show that EU migrants are, on average, significantly more qualified than the native population. That's the reality. You have seasonal labour in agriculture, and I strongly suspect that concessions will be made on that front, whether it's from European or non-European sources, but the bulk of EU migrants are highly skilled, and highly sought after.
To coin a phrase at the moment, the reality is that no immigration policy (ie free movement via the EU) is better than a bad immigration policy (ie what we have with the rest of the world). Those migrants we have no control over are, on average:
- Younger (and thus having fewer calls on the NHS)
- Fewer dependents
- Better qualified
- More likely to have a job
- Paid more
- Less likely to claim on welfare
Pret a Manger have recently said that they can't get UK applicants for their jobs. The fruit and veg picking employers say likewise.
Both these are filled with EU or other migrant jobs.
Why do so many people from Eastern Europe say come here?
Because they are paid circa twice here what they get in their countries.
Id certainly agree that Eastern European migrants certainly have a great work ethic and are less likely to claim benefits as I see that in my work.
I also wouldn't disagree that there are many migrants in skilled jobs though I see huge numbers in unskilled jobs where I live.
I'm also not saying they don't contribute or aren't great people
My comment was meant more that under globalisation, companies are very keen on cheap and flexible labour forces so want immigration for that reason.
I am not sure how much Merkel letting in so many refugees was a genuine benevolence or perhaps atonement for Germany's past and how much was to provide a continued labour force for German companies to make up for what was their projected population decrease (unlike the UK whose population is projected to become the most dense in Europe)
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Both, I imagine - plus a measure of genuine concern for the immigrants. Doubt, however, that her heavy leaning on the rest of the Schengen countries to follow Germany's lead was her smartest move.
The same reason people move from anywhere - to strive for a better life. That could be earning more, but it could also be new experiences, to learn a new language and so on. Many reasons, but one that is almost never the case is that they look at our welfare system and see £££.
As for wages, there is no evidence that migrants undercut the wages of natives. Employers offer salaries that the market can sustain, there's no suggestion that they positively discriminate in adverts, but rather they offer standard pay and conditions, yet those seem to attract more migrants than natives.
We have to remember that whilst wages are higher here, so to is the cost of living. Whenever we've analyzed this equation for nursing in the UK and Czech, there isn't a great deal of difference.
It's quite telling imo that despite reasonably high migration levels, unemployment in the UK is at historic lows.
They want people for that reason. I can't imagine for one minute that they wouldn't accept a native worker under the same terms.
All well , and good bruce ,but before we joined the EU these jobs were filled Bruce by local labour?
Well, I'm not sure Pret were around then, and I think I'm right in saying that before the freedom of movement, the farming industry had an agreement whereby they could bring in the same kind of workers from elsewhere.
Really farms by me had English kids Bruce - I myself as an horticulturist did back breaking work, lining out plants, no fancy machinery to plant them for you.
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Local polulace and kids did it. I can't ever remember bringing in overseas workers for farms........
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Haven't heard too many remainers demanding that the rights of Gibraltarians need to be respected against what is a shameful EU attempt to exclude them from any deal. The UK should be very clear on this, if Spain vetoes Gibraltar then they are also vetoing the UK, no ifs no buts. Or would it be OK for the UK to veto any single country, such as Luxembourg, being included in any deal.......come on remainers, let's hear you......
Which begs the question quite why the agriculture industry has had the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme from 1948, doesn't it? Indeed, as one study from the University of Exeter shows, this has been going on for centuries.
https://blogs.exeter.ac.uk/exeterbl...british-fruit-and-veg-before-migrant-workers/
"In response to labour shortages following World War II, the Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS) was introduced in 1945, allowing foreign nationals to temporarily reside in the UK in order to harvest fruit and vegetables. The bulk of SAWS workers were Eastern European or from the former Soviet Union."
The scheme existed to allow the industry to 'trade with the world' in a talent sense, but was scrapped after it was felt that plenty of talent was available from across the EU. Indeed, as the article above highlights, previous attempts to get these jobs filled by natives have failed:
https://www.researchonline.org.uk/s...d=B8F5D490363B64052BC2400530827BDB?ref=B13276
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...data/file/257242/migrant-seasonal-workers.pdf
Oh please. They voted 99/1 to remain in the EU and you're complaining about their rights not being respected?
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