Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Fedlingen]

Don't do twiiter or Facebook don't really feel i am missing anything

You're not missing a single thing. ^^

 

[edge]

You're not missing a single thing. ^^

Lad i work with live on the things , shows me the most inane stuff and thinks it's great, don't even start me on some of the so called facts he comes out with, not for me at all

 

[Ruairi77]

You're not missing a single thing. ^^

Twitter is a pretty good tool for aggregating the news. Just as long as you're aware that you're your own editor.

 

[brigadier]

According to a politician on radio 4 this is best Time since Elizabeth 1st to make money in foreign lands, he mentioned silks and spices.
Who's up for a bit of piracy.

 

[JonS]

I fear for employment rights.

Maybe, but I cant see the EU has provided much protection from outsourcing to companies paying minimum wage, zero hours contracts, the gig economy (Uber , Deliveroo) or sweatshop conditions (Amazon, JD Sports, Sports Direct)

 

[bluecol]

So the clock is ticking and precisely 2 years from now it will stop ticking. What happens then? Under article 50 it will mean that the UK is no longer a member of the EU. End of. There is no way that the negotiations can be concluded within the 2 year timescale. The EU doesn't work that way. They have 2 speeds; dead slow and stop. And the idea that all 27 countries will agree a final deal which the UK would accept is pure fantasy.

So, time to get on with agreeing trade deals with the long queue of countries across the globe who are desperate to have us on board. Wine from NZ, OZ, Chile, USA etc is already far better value than wines from France; we just need to import a lot more of them!

 

[JonS]

You can all spend forever presenting isolated campaigning snippets for both sides of the arguments.

I don't think the UK will be the last to leave the EU, and I think we'll look back in years to come and think the doom and gloom was way over the top.

There's also a tendency now to blame things like food getting smaller/costlier on "Brexit" when that's happened all my life.

Experts told me the uncertainty after the referendum would mean the sky would fall and I'd be living in my mars box room - I've not noticed any difference personally...

Doom and gloom sells - the media will always lead with the doom and gloom.

Welcome to the Brexit Jets side as we fight the forum battle against the EU Sharks ( @edge )

 

[JonS]

I'm not going to overreact or anything, but I hope that in a few years time when everything is said and done - we'll be able to string up Gove, Johnson, Davis, Mogg, and anyone that voted for this utter shambles and lob house bricks at them.

Complete and utter meffs, them and anyone who supports their stance.

In your opinion. You seem to slagging off much of the country.

As Johnny Lydon said the other day on this issue: "The working class have spoken!"

 

[Joey66]

Negotiations will stall at the first hurdle of the divorce a top EU German wants the divorce settlement upfront, before we talk terms !
May should walk out tell Parliment to vote on that fee repoterted to be allegedly 50 billion let them vote on it - Mr Whetherspoon reckons better to just go to WTO trade with the 93 percent of World trade that's there, than pay that without our funding the EU is sunk without our contributions - we have called their bluff imo!
Their faces today of grief and anger- just look at the berocratic system that letter has to go through rediculous or what!

 

[edge]

So the clock is ticking and precisely 2 years from now it will stop ticking. What happens then? Under article 50 it will mean that the UK is no longer a member of the EU. End of. There is no way that the negotiations can be concluded within the 2 year timescale. The EU doesn't work that way. They have 2 speeds; dead slow and stop. And the idea that all 27 countries will agree a final deal which the UK would accept is pure fantasy.

So, time to get on with agreeing trade deals with the long queue of countries across the globe who are desperate to have us on board. Wine from NZ, OZ, Chile, USA etc is already far better value than wines from France; we just need to import a lot more of them!

As a member of the WTO as are most if not all EU members we have the right to continue with excisting trade treaty arrangements with fellow members until others are in place within a reasonable timescale it could be up to a number of years under current arrangement s, that's if we run out of time and no agreement is made with the EU.
As you say we should be putting out the feelers to the rest of the globe.

 

[Jamiednm]

This is going to be a long, painful and annoying process. I think it was inevitable though considering our overwhelming unwillingness for ever closer union and the Euro. Our exit will be disastrous if the PM plays to the extreme Brexiteers. But at the same time, if we're sensible and transition out of the single market in to a free trade agreement over the next 4-5 years, and agree equivalence on customs when we leave the customs union, then there is huge potential to reinvigorate our economy, politics and competitiveness - that will benefit us and the EU as our biggest trading partner.

A happy consequence of Brexit so far is the implosion of UKIP. Had we remained, their cause would've been turbocharged and they could've actually gained real power at the next election. We've avoided the likes of a Trump, Le Pen or Wilders getting serious power in this country any time soon - the same can't be said for a lot of EU countries who are having major problems with the Euro.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

According to a politician on radio 4 this is best Time since Elizabeth 1st to make money in foreign lands, he mentioned silks and spices.
Who's up for a bit of piracy.

hahaha I love the new 'fact' that all of theses exciting new lands have just appeared on the map and are all dying to buy the stuff we make in factories owned by foreigners who only have them here in order to service the EU market.

It's a genius strategy, who needs to trade with those wealthy nations on our doorstep when we can sell all kinds to Tonga.

 

[edge]

Now we are finally leaving , hope a bit of common sense prevail s both here and the EU and do a mutually benafital deal without the sabre rattling.

 

[Jamiednm]

hahaha I love the new 'fact' that all of theses exciting new lands have just appeared on the map and are all dying to buy the stuff we make in factories owned by foreigners who only have them here in order to service the EU market.

It's a genius strategy, who needs to trade with those wealthy nations on our doorstep when we can sell all kinds to Tonga.

Bang on. I can't wait until some reality comes in to Brexit. There is no way we're walking away from the table - there will be a comprehensive free trade agreement by hook or by crook because it is in the best interests of the UK and EU. All this talk of WTO tariffs is to be avoided at all costs. Even countries that don't have a FTA with the EU don't trade with it on WTO terms. Then there is the customs union - if we can't agree a deal on equivalence, we'll have trucks queued on both sides of the Channel for days and massive food shortages. Whether people hate the EU or not, it accounts for our immediate neighbourhood, and is crucial to our current infrastructure.

Canada has access to 99% of the single market without the add-ons of the 4 freedoms. This has to be our minimum aim.

 

[bluecol]

Jamie, talking about the Euro there is no doubt that this has been a disaster for every Euro economy except Germany. Should be renamed the Deutschmark. Blair was dead set on us joining it but was foiled by Gordon Brown with his 5 tests which he knew could never be met. Blair was furious but Brown stuck to his guns.