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Pure crap. The EU have no position of power. They sell more to us than we do to them. We provide them with a nuclear shield together with the USA and France. We sit on the UN Security Council and have longstanding relations with all the countries in the commonwealth. The USA, Australia, Canada and others have all said that we will be at the front of any trade deals. Millions of German and French jobs rely upon U.K. Trade. If we go to WTO rules we make money. You are grossly overestimating the EU position and grossly underestimating the UK position......

We import more from the EU than we export, so on the surface that statement is correct - however, as a percentage of overall trade, it's much more imperative that we keep favourable terms than it is to the EU, and that's the stat that matters; the percentage.

As for the rest... as you began with "the EU have no position of power" when we rely on them for 44% approx. of our exports... well, it sort of wipes out the rest of the paragraph immediately really.

It's no exaggeration to say that the EU are vastly superior to us in trading power and status. They can afford to hardball much more than we can.
 
I have visited Europe every year for the past 35 years, went to futher education classes to improve my French. Handy, I found I could talk to French people and guess what? They despise Paris and its citizens with a passion.
So, I am a good European but I have no time for the EU. This is a corrupt, disfunctional and anti-democratic organisation. Tell me where else there could be a private or public organisation which could go 16 years without having it's accounts signed off by it's auditors. Nowhere.

And as for Juncker, the unelected EU boss from Luxemburg, the size of Coventry, threatening the people of the UK? No more to say.

When you say "I have visited Europe...." and "So, I am a good European....", does that mean you're not from Europe, or that you are but, see it as a different continent?
 
We import more from the EU than we export, so on the surface that statement is correct - however, as a percentage of overall trade, it's much more imperative that we keep favourable terms than it is to the EU, and that's the stat that matters; the percentage.

As for the rest... as you began with "the EU have no position of power" when we rely on them for 44% approx. of our exports... well, it sort of wipes out the rest of the paragraph immediately really.

It's no exaggeration to say that the EU are vastly superior to us in trading power and status. They can afford to hardball much more than we can.

The percentage is irrelevant. If we go to WTO rules then they pay more import duty to us than we do to them. Nothing to do with percentages, just absolute numbers.

Like many remainers, you are in thrall to this massive beast called the EU, which basically consists of two decent countries, Germany and France together with a whole load of freeloaders.

We can do quite well ramping up trade with the USA and the Commonwealth and both are bigger markets.....
 
The percentage is irrelevant. If we go to WTO rules then they pay more import duty to us than we do to them. Nothing to do with percentages, just absolute numbers.

Like many remainers, you are in thrall to this massive beast called the EU, which basically consists of two decent countries, Germany and France together with a whole load of freeloaders.

We can do quite well ramping up trade with the USA and the Commonwealth and both are bigger markets.....

It is around 10%+ more relevant to our economy than the EU. Of course it's relevant.
 
It is around 10%+ more relevant to our economy than the EU. Of course it's relevant.

It is not relevant. The UK and the EU will trade, unless Germany and France decide they don't like selling us Cars and Wine. Meanwhile we can use the import tariffs to subsidise or compensate our companies paying EU import duties to our advantage. The whole of our EU exports only accounts for about 10-12% of our GDP and we can easily either make this up or even forgo it without major issue. We will have the ability to grow our economy in a way the the 27 members of the EU will not. Germany understands this and also the consequences to them in particular. Sensible deals will be done......
 
Was on this march yesterday with my wife and some friends. The atmosphere was an odd mixture of good-humoured and bloody angry at the stupidity of what we're about to do. One couple we met in the pub afterwards had travelled from Portugal just to march.

Nick Clegg tells EU march there is a 'perpetual sense of anger' over Brexit
Former deputy prime minister addresses tens of thousands of people protesting against decision to leave EU



Tens of thousands march through London in Brexit protest


Dan Roberts and Chris Johnston

Saturday 25 March 2017 17.31 GMTLast modified on Saturday 25 March 2017 18.36 GMT

Tens of thousands of people took to the streets of central London on Saturday to protest against Britain’s departure from the European Union, just days before Theresa May begins the process by triggering article 50.

Nick Clegg told the crowd in Parliament Square that “sadness” about the outcome of last June’s referendum had given way to “a perpetual sense of anger about the choices that Theresa May and her government have taken since”.

“It was a choice to pull us out of the customs union, it was a choice to embark on that demeaning bout of transatlantic obsequiousness,” the former Liberal Democrat leader said. He accused the prime minister of “threatening to turn our country into a bargain basement cowboy economy”.

David Lammy, the Labour MP for Tottenham, said many people were changing their mind about Brexit.

“We’re living in a dictatorship. In democracies people are always allowed to change their minds. Over the coming months and years we will fight. Labour needs to rediscover its mojo, and quickly,” he said.

The former Downing Street director of communications Alastair Campbell told protesters: “I know I am in a minority in thinking Brexit can be stopped, but I’m not in a minority in thinking that it should be.”

He appealed to the Remain movement not to give up: “When you see a car heading toward a cliff, you don’t keep driving ... keep fighting to keep Britain in Europe.”

Liberal Democrat leader Tim Farron cemented his growing role as the political leader of the Remain movement, with a well-received address that claimed to speak not just for the 48% who voted against Brexit – but also many of those who voted for it.


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Nick Clegg speaks at the Unite for Europe rally in central London. Photograph: Peter Nicholls/Reuters
“We are here to show solidarity and respect for those who voted leave. We do not believe they wanted this. [Theresa May] does not speak for 52%, she barely speaks for 5%,” he told the crowd.

“We are not giving up this week of all weeks. We here are as testament that we refuse to despair. Britain can be better than this.”

The tens of thousands who turned out to protest forced police to delay the start due to congestion as more coaches arrived from across the country.

“I am here to show people who are appalled at what is happening that they are not alone,” said Rachael Shermaur, a 51-year-old protester who had travelled from Devon with a sign that read “Terrorism won’t divide us but Brexit will”.

“I am not naive but I would like to remain optimistic,” she explained, when asked if Brexit could be stopped. “If there is a public protest then in some way, somehow, the message might get through to politicians.”

Organisers had called on those attending to show respect for those killed and injured in Wednesday’s attack in Westminster, but mostly this was a crowd that did not need reminding to be exceedingly polite.

Many carried yellow flowers to lay at the makeshift memorial opposite parliament. Chants of “Boris you [Poor language removed]” from a woman in Trafalgar Square were drowned out by the sound of The Beatles’ All You Need Is Love as the march turned into Whitehall.

One of the most aggressive signs simply read “Buck Frexit”. Another that did not swap the consonants attracted heckling from a white van stuck in nearby traffic. “You lost mate, we’re leaving” shouted another onlooker.

It was the voices of the many children on the march that brought home how all the political squabbling of the referendum looks to a younger generation. “Half British, half Italian, but 100% European,” one boy’s sign said. “Don’t put my daddy on a boat,” said another, held by a young Londoner with a Portuguese father.

“We are not in denial and we shouldn’t get over it,” added Seb Dance, a Labour MEP. “They are working for the hardest Brexit imaginable which is something they have no mandate for. It’s not us who need to confront reality. It’s the Brexiteers.”

Campaigning lawyer Jo Maugham made the point that much has changed already since the referendum. “Last year we voted in a very different world. We had no president who wanted to tear up the trade rules… or Nato. We did not know what Brexit means and we still do not know what Brexit means,” he said.

“Anyone who says they know what the popular mood is and we should give up is lying to you,” added Maugham. “What will make Brexit happen is if you give up.”
 
Remoaners need to get a reality check. We are leaving the EU, period.
I have visited Europe every year for the past 25 years, like the countries and their peoples. What I don't like is the European Union, a corrupt, dysfunctional, anti-democratic conspiracy aimed at destroying the freedoms we have fought wars to preserve.
Here is a question. How many of the 27 other countries in the EU stood with us against Germany in WW2? Answer, just 1 - Malta.
 
Remoaners need to get a reality check. We are leaving the EU, period.
I have visited Europe every year for the past 25 years, like the countries and their peoples. What I don't like is the European Union, a corrupt, dysfunctional, anti-democratic conspiracy aimed at destroying the freedoms we have fought wars to preserve.
Here is a question. How many of the 27 other countries in the EU stood with us against Germany in WW2? Answer, just 1 - Malta.
Which freedoms have been destroyed exactly?

You're about to lose the freedom in movement in the EU btw

So Poland, Greece and France didn't oppose the Nazis then? Every day is an education it seems
 
Remoaners need to get a reality check. We are leaving the EU, period.
I have visited Europe every year for the past 25 years, like the countries and their peoples. What I don't like is the European Union, a corrupt, dysfunctional, anti-democratic conspiracy aimed at destroying the freedoms we have fought wars to preserve.
Here is a question. How many of the 27 other countries in the EU stood with us against Germany in WW2? Answer, just 1 - Malta.

Spain was a bit busy, to be fair. France, Belgium, Poland, Denmark, Czech Republic may have something to say about your churlish remark. What freedoms has the EU destroyed, by the way? How has sixty years of lasting peace been for you? The way things are going, I can see a major war developing in Western Europe within my lifetime. Never thought I'd hear myself say that. Nice work there, Brexitistas!

As for "Remoaners" - you betcha. We're angry as hell at the stupidity of all of this and we'll keep on remoaning like hell.
 
Which freedoms have been destroyed exactly?

You're about to lose the freedom in movement in the EU btw

So Poland, Greece and France didn't oppose the Nazis then? Every day is an education it seems

The freedom to legislate our own laws; 60% of the laws governing the UK have come direct from Brussels. A Brexit priority is to cancel them all.
Freedom of movement? Given a vote the people of Europe would abolish the Schengen disaster.
Poland was overrun, Greece was neutral and have you never heard of Vichy France?
 
Spain was a bit busy, to be fair.

Yeah, supplying troops on the ground and pilots in the air to Germany. They were called the 'Blue Legion'. Check it out. The only part of Spain that supported the allied cause were the Basques, who provided troops from D-Day onwards. Those fighters wearing black berets you see in the clips of the liberation of Paris - they weren't French, they were Basque fighters with the Resistance wearing the Basque traditional headwear.
 
Yeah, supplying troops on the ground and pilots in the air to Germany. They were called the 'Blue Legion'. Check it out. The only part of Spain that supported the allied cause were the Basques, who provided troops from D-Day onwards. Those fighters wearing black berets you see in the clips of the liberation of Paris - they weren't French, they were Basque fighters with the Resistance wearing the Basque traditional headwear.

Well, yes, but you and your mate seem to be blaming Spain's modern democracy for the actions of a Fascist dictator. Laughable.
 
Well, yes, but you and your mate seem to be blaming Spain's modern democracy for the actions of a Fascist dictator. Laughable.
No-one is blaming modern Spain for anything. Just saying that Spain didn't lift a finger to help our cause in WW2 while doing quite a bit to help Germany.
 
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