Ask Tony Blair he's on the same wave length as you EU wise don't forget we should have joined the Euro!
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Foot Long Hot Dog
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Blair was against joining the Euro,hence the reason he never sanctioned it, which is nothing more than a meaningless and irrelevant deflection from the question I posed you that you patently can't answer.
Alternative fact innit.
Meanwhile, Oxford University are due to open a research facility in Paris to ensure they remain part of Horizon2020 and the EU science infrastructure (not to mention being able to attract whomever they want from the EU without having to worry about migration controls).
Our economy shrank around 6% during the extreme periods of the most recent economic recession.
Any significant (>15% of total gross trade) loss of income through the EU will have disastrous results for our economy and public expenditure.
It's not quite as clear cut as you're trying to make it. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to you.
And it's not even me trying to scare anyone, these are genuine concerns. At the end of the day, it's not Aaron Banks or Michael Gove that'll feel the brunt of this, but my friends and family of whom badly need the support of well-funded public services in order to survive.
Barnfred 55
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Not an expert on European law and have no great desire to look up the ins and outs. But I would hazard a guess that the vast majority would benefit the citizens of this country, and there are no doubt a few that probably don't. Anything relating to health and safety and, indeed, security of employment, will fall into the former.
Do you think that those laws that benefit UK citizens will be changed when we come out of the European Union?
one big factory owner was joyous on brexit as he stated thats a meaningless book of tick box forms will be taken way from 4 hours of filling in for Brussels - our own H&S executive can do it on a in house tighter less bureaucratic way!
The Science and Technology select committee have published a report today on the implications of leaving the EU on science in the UK.
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmsctech/502/50202.htm
"The Government is committed to building on the UK’s world-leading science base and making the UK the go-to nation for scientists, innovators and investors in technology. The Government recognises that being open and welcoming to international talent in science and research is vital to maintaining and improving the UK’s world-class research base. Our research community is enriched by the best minds from Europe and around the world.
Providing reassurance to these individuals and to UK researchers working in Europe will be important for the Government going forwards. Securing the status and providing certainty to EU nationals already in the UK—and to UK nationals in the EU—is one of this Government’s top priorities for the forthcoming negotiations."
https://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201617/cmselect/cmsctech/502/50202.htm
"The Government is committed to building on the UK’s world-leading science base and making the UK the go-to nation for scientists, innovators and investors in technology. The Government recognises that being open and welcoming to international talent in science and research is vital to maintaining and improving the UK’s world-class research base. Our research community is enriched by the best minds from Europe and around the world.
Providing reassurance to these individuals and to UK researchers working in Europe will be important for the Government going forwards. Securing the status and providing certainty to EU nationals already in the UK—and to UK nationals in the EU—is one of this Government’s top priorities for the forthcoming negotiations."
google it Bruce your wrong ininit -
http://www.economist.com/node/645986
also @Foot Long Hot Dog is wrong too
Foot Long Hot Dog
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I must have missed Blair calling a referendum on it then Joey...google it Bruce your wrong ininit -
http://www.economist.com/node/645986
also @Foot Long Hot Dog is wrong too
He never ruled out joining the Euro but was never going to recommend us doing so unless the economic conditions were met, and then the British people would have had the final say. The former never happened and he therefore never recommended it to the British people did he?
You've still swerved that actual question I asked though....
google it Bruce your wrong ininit -
http://www.economist.com/node/645986
also @Foot Long Hot Dog is wrong too
It warms my cockles to see you reading the Economist Joe, but nowhere in that article does it say what you think it does. It points to the five economic tests that were put in place to gauge the merits of joining the Euro, and if those tests were passed, and therefore the Treasury deemed it in the national interest to join, then we would join (providing a referendum agreed).
In total, I believe the analysis by the Treasury ran to some 2,000 pages. As an example of evidence based decision making, it seems infinitely better than deciding based upon whatever can be scrawled on the side of a bus
Barnfred 55
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I fully agree with most of that mate, other than your initial comment. I think it was definitely a scare tactic used by the Govt in the run up to the Brexit vote, and is still being used by those still campaigning to stay in Europe. I believe it backfired on them massively as most people are intelligent enough to make up their own minds and it was so obvious what the Govt were upto. The same applies to the lies being bandied about by the Brexit mob by the way.
However, the truth more is as you say. A big concern over the massive uncertainty of where it's going to lead to. It's in nobody's interest, ours or Europe's, for a breakdown in trade between the two. Indeed, Europe have more to lose in actual figures, but obviously not as a percentage. That's why I cling on to the hope that they will sort something out.
You are also spot on about the nation being split. What started as a ploy to win votes leading upto the last election (because Cameron wrongly believed he would get his way with Merkel & Co) turned into possibly the worse political decision of the last 50 years or so. I think Cameron realised that and rightly fell on his sword. I still can't believe the number of people who appeared surprised by his decision. He made an incredibly bad gamble that didn't pay off. The day after the vote, I had a big row with my sister after she called me and the missus morons because of the way we voted. We're still speaking but our relationship definitely hasn't been the same since.
I also agree that, possibly encouraged by our Brexit vote, there does appear to be a rise in the popularity of right wing politicians around many parts of Europe. The same can probably be said of left wing activism too if I'm honest. Europe and it's countries appears to becoming increasingly polarised, which is in itself, a bit worrying.
Foot Long Hot Dog
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The fact that he has a supposed issue with the EU laws in this area but can't name a single one that he disagrees with, and that the UK objected to was the reason for me labouring the point.
As for what happens post Brexit, the idea of the Tories ripping it up and starting again doesn't have me celebrating the return of our supposed Sovereignty (that we never lost btw)
hallamblue
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Blair wanted to join the Euro, Brown was dead against it. Hence Brown put in the 5 economic tests that would never come to pass.
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