Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Barnfred 55]

The fact that he has a supposed issue with the EU laws in this area but can't name a single one that he disagrees with, and that the UK objected to was the reason for me labouring the point.

As for what happens post Brexit, the idea of the Tories ripping it up and starting again doesn't have me celebrating the return of our supposed Sovereignty (that we never lost btw)

I personally cant see it mate. A huge part of UK law is made up of European law which will be adopted when we eventually leave the EU in mid 2019. It's going to be a massive job just to go through the various laws and decide which ones need changing and which ones don't. Bare in mind that priority will be given in certain areas that are being lobbied by certain MPs, such as fisheries and agricultural policies, that we haven't necessarily benefited from over the years. Then it needs new laws drawing and then it needs to go through the parliamentary process. You saw what happened to the recent benefits laws they tried to change.

 

[Joey66]

It warms my cockles to see you reading the Economist Joe, but nowhere in that article does it say what you think it does. It points to the five economic tests that were put in place to gauge the merits of joining the Euro, and if those tests were passed, and therefore the Treasury deemed it in the national interest to join, then we would join (providing a referendum agreed).

In total, I believe the analysis by the Treasury ran to some 2,000 pages. As an example of evidence based decision making, it seems infinitely better than deciding based upon whatever can be scrawled on the side of a bus

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/may/16/euro.eu
also in that economist article get your glasses Brucy
Mr Blair is undoubtedly keen for Britain to join the euro as soon as possible. A second Labour landslide would open a window of opportunity for him to achieve this goal. Big majorities matter. Once again the prime minister would be able to boast of an overwhelming mandate in the political hard currency that matters most—MPs in the House of Commons.
Also Bruce there are a page of links on him wanting to join the EURO google away its your pastime innitlol

 

[hallamblue]

I personally cant see it mate. A huge part of UK law is made up of European law which will be adopted when we eventually leave the EU in mid 2019. It's going to be a massive job just to go through the various laws and decide which ones need changing and which ones don't. Bare in mind that priority will be given in certain areas that are being lobbied by certain MPs, such as fisheries and agricultural policies, that we haven't necessarily benefited from over the years. Then it needs new laws drawing and then it needs to go through the parliamentary process. You saw what happened to the recent benefits laws they tried to change.

I believe there is basically 1 law being passed that says we abide by all European laws, and then you would have to bring in any amendments 1 by 1.

 

[Joey66]

I must have missed Blair calling a referendum on it then Joey...

He never ruled out joining the Euro but was never going to recommend us doing so unless the economic conditions were met, and then the British people would have had the final say. The former never happened and he therefore never recommended it to the British people did he?

You've still swerved that actual question I asked though....

just like you swerved this one - hey!

 

[Number_25]

just like you swerved this one - hey!

But he hasn't? Blair and Brown set out the requirements that the Euro failed to meet. It's beyond question.

 

[Barnfred 55]

I believe there is basically 1 law being passed that says we abide by all European laws, and then you would have to bring in any amendments 1 by 1.

Realistically the only way it can be done. A lot of infrastructure needs putting in place too as most of this is done in Brussels at the moment.

 

[Seanjd]

I also agree that, possibly encouraged by our Brexit vote, there does appear to be a rise in the popularity of right wing politicians around many parts of Europe. The same can probably be said of left wing activism too if I'm honest. Europe and it's countries appears to becoming increasingly polarised, which is in itself, a bit worrying.

Extremist politics has to be opportunist to have a chance of making a mark. Britain leaving the EU is a perfect climate for right-wing extremists to plant their flags.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Extremist politics has to be opportunist to have a chance of making a mark. Britain leaving the EU is a perfect climate for right-wing extremists to plant their flags.

Are you referring to here in the UK, across Europe or both mate?

 

[Number_25]

Are you referring to here in the UK, across Europe or both mate?

Everywhere.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I personally cant see it mate. A huge part of UK law is made up of European law which will be adopted when we eventually leave the EU in mid 2019. It's going to be a massive job just to go through the various laws and decide which ones need changing and which ones don't. Bare in mind that priority will be given in certain areas that are being lobbied by certain MPs, such as fisheries and agricultural policies, that we haven't necessarily benefited from over the years. Then it needs new laws drawing and then it needs to go through the parliamentary process. You saw what happened to the recent benefits laws they tried to change.

Given the chance they'll erode it over time imo mate. They'll do so under the premise of reducing admin burden or some such justification, which in reality will be profit lead and standard Tory

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

just like you swerved this one - hey!

I answered your deflection Joey.

You've still swerved my question though.

 

[Seanjd]

Are you referring to here in the UK, across Europe or both mate?

Definitely everywhere. If you look at Europe's far-right parties rise since Brexit as an example, and certainly Donald Trump, they all quote Brexit as a success and in the European cases, look to use it as a voting point to gain popularity. It's working, too.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Given the chance they'll erode it over time imo mate. They'll do so under the premise of reducing admin burden or some such justification, which in reality will be profit lead and standard Tory

Tories won't always be in power mate. The electorate always get fed up with too much of one party, usually after 2 terms. Changing health and safety and working conditions won't be easy to get through Parliament either. Still can't see them doing too much damage and certainly anything that can't be reversed by Labour.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Definitely everywhere. If you look at Europe's far-right parties rise since Brexit as an example, and certainly Donald Trump, they all quote Brexit as a success and in the European cases, look to use it as a voting point to gain popularity. It's working, too.

Yeah, I've noticed that. Far left is a lot more prominent too as you can see with our own Labour party. Seems middle of the road isn't in mode at the moment.

 

[Seanjd]

Yeah, I've noticed that. Far left is a lot more prominent too as you can see with our own Labour party. Seems middle of the road isn't in mode at the moment.

I wouldn't say the Labour Party are far-left, in the same way the Tories aren't far-right. I get your point though, politics is certainly being polarized.