Current Affairs EU In or Out

[Bruce Wayne]

If a weather forecaster predicts it's going to rain tomorrow, and it actually doesn't, that doesn't make the forecaster a liar. There's a big difference between believing something will happen, and it doesn't, and knowing full well what you say is rubbish, yet saying it anyway.

Most of what the remain side said were predictions. The demise of the liberal consensus, and the likelihood of that sparking global conflict, seems to be one of the better ones. The prediction that the economy would suffer appears, thankfully, thus far not to have happened, although the actions of Mark Carney no doubt helped. Even then, the prediction was largely made on the basis that we would leave the day after the referendum (or at least invoke Article 50). That didn't happen, in no small part in a bid to calm markets that plummeted on the morning after.

Farage et al knew full well that £350m wouldn't be going to the NHS. They knew full well that Turkey wasn't going to be admitted to the EU. They knew full well that the vile breaking point poster was wrong.

 

[peteblue]

If a weather forecaster predicts it's going to rain tomorrow, and it actually doesn't, that doesn't make the forecaster a liar. There's a big difference between believing something will happen, and it doesn't, and knowing full well what you say is rubbish, yet saying it anyway.

Most of what the remain side said were predictions. The demise of the liberal consensus, and the likelihood of that sparking global conflict, seems to be one of the better ones. The prediction that the economy would suffer appears, thankfully, thus far not to have happened, although the actions of Mark Carney no doubt helped. Even then, the prediction was largely made on the basis that we would leave the day after the referendum (or at least invoke Article 50). That didn't happen, in no small part in a bid to calm markets that plummeted on the morning after.

Farage et al knew full well that £350m wouldn't be going to the NHS. They knew full well that Turkey wasn't going to be admitted to the EU. They knew full well that the vile breaking point poster was wrong.

The CoE predicted that there would be an emergency budget the day after the vote if we voted to leave...... I predict, you lie........

 

[Bruce Wayne]

The CoE predicted that there would be an emergency budget the day after the vote if we voted to leave...... I predict, you lie........

"Mr Osborne and Lord Darling said the measures - £15bn of tax rises and £15bn of cuts - are based on the Institute for Fiscal Studies' predictions about the economic impact of a vote to leave from lower trade, investment, and tax receipts."

Predictions Pete. It's not hard to fathom. Osborne and Darling said that leaving the EU would leave the public purse worse off, which would require changes to deal with the drop in revenue. We haven't left yet, so how can we say if it's right or not?

 

[peteblue]

"Mr Osborne and Lord Darling said the measures - £15bn of tax rises and £15bn of cuts - are based on the Institute for Fiscal Studies' predictions about the economic impact of a vote to leave from lower trade, investment, and tax receipts."

Predictions Pete. It's not hard to fathom. Osborne and Darling said that leaving the EU would leave the public purse worse off, which would require changes to deal with the drop in revenue. We haven't left yet, so how can we say if it's right or not?

And what happened the day after the vote ?.......what happened to the emergency budget ?......

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Also interesting to note that Duncan Smith et al said this in response to the above:

'We find it incredible that the chancellor could seriously be threatening to renege on so many manifesto pledges,"

Funny that they seem quite happy to renege on the pledge to remain in the single market.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Farage et al knew full well that £350m wouldn't be going to the NHS.

OK Bruce, let's put this turkey of yours to bed once and for all.

THIS is what the Leave campaign stated.

It does NOT say £350 million would go to the NHS every week. It points out the equivalent cost of a new hospital. There is a difference.

Now let this stupid point go, finally...!!!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

And what happened the day after the vote ?.......what happened to the emergency budget ?......

Can you find me the quote where it was said the day after?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

OK Bruce, let's put this turkey of yours to bed once and for all.

THIS is what the Leave campaign stated.

It does NOT say £350 million would go to the NHS every week. It points out the equivalent cost of a new hospital. There is a difference.

Now let this stupid point go, finally...!!!

Someone show the man the bus

 

[Old Blue 2]

And what happened the day after the vote ?.......what happened to the emergency budget ?......

Quite simply, the Chancellor was an out and out liar. Nothing else. Probably the biggest liar since Clinton said 'I did not have sex with that girl' and we all know what came out in the end there...!

 

[peteblue]

Can you find me the quote where it was said the day after?

I'll give you that one. It was to be delivered within weeks......but the point remains valid....

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I'll give you that one. It was to be delivered within weeks......but the point remains valid....

I'm not sure it was even that. The IFS report that the whole thing was based on projected a fall in public income of between £20-40bn by 2019/20. They clearly picked the mid-point of that for their figure, but nowhere does it say that will happen immediately, but rather once we leave and the benefits of EU membership are removed.

Seems fairly obvious -> If we vote to leave, the IFS predict public finances will be hit by £20-40bn by 2019-> If I'm Chancellor, we will do this to plug that gap.

So unless we've somehow managed to predict what might happen in 2019, I'm not sure we can say that either the IFS or George Osborne were wrong, much less that they lied.

 

[Joey66]

Yes so the booklet that cost 9 million never had any lies in it never mind your bus Bruce that booklet was full of doom and gloom every household in the UK received a booklet Gidieon was behind it all as for all the projections you cite it was made clear that an out vote the economy would fall over the cliff!
The IMF lady who paid an out of court settlement for fraud was dragged in to the Remain campaign both sides used propaganda - the fear tactics failed dragging up figures now before we exit is pointless Bruce!

I'm not sure it was even that. The IFS report that the whole thing was based on projected a fall in public income of between £20-40bn by 2019/20. They clearly picked the mid-point of that for their figure, but nowhere does it say that will happen immediately, but rather once we leave and the benefits of EU membership are removed.

Seems fairly obvious -> If we vote to leave, the IFS predict public finances will be hit by £20-40bn by 2019-> If I'm Chancellor, we will do this to plug that gap.

So unless we've somehow managed to predict what might happen in 2019, I'm not sure we can say that either the IFS or George Osborne were wrong, much less that they lied.

 

[peteblue]

So the vote has gone to enact article 50, by about 4:1, so the BBC have a discussion with 3 remainers and 1 leaver, these people in the BBC really need to remember that they are supposed to be impartial......disgraceful really......

 

[jal123]

I can't wait till the NHS starts benefitting from £350m extra smackers a week!

Might be able to get a doctors appointment within two weeks of asking.

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

The BBC.....disgraceful really......

This is probably closer to the truth Pete and its nothing new. The Blatantly Bias Corporation is an absolute disgrace.