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[edge]

Yep, once we are out UKIP will disappear. Scotland only have themselves to blame, the SNP are screwing everything up but seemingly getting away with it. I would be more than happy to see the back of them and their politicians, but we know they would be a basket case within 3 years and we'd have to help them out, again.......

SNP are just chatting rubbish, the EU said they cant have automatic entry so will have to apply like every other new member, so either they stick with the rest of the uk and have some sort of deal or they are outside with no deal.
plus latest figures show within the next decade the revenue from oil will be overtaken by the cost of cleaning up what's left behind, so there already sketchy balance of payment figures would get even worse, the scots for all my poking fun at are not a daft race they will start seeing them for the sham they are.

 

[Chewbacca]

So our MP's vote 6-1 to give the Brexit vote to the people, the people vote and vote leave, the following ignore the UK referendum and do what they want.......

They should be ashamed of themselves and I hope never again try to invoke 'the will of the people'.....


Below is the full list of 114 MPs who voted against Article 50

LABOUR:

Heidi Alexander, Lewisham East

Rushanara Ali, Bethnal Green and Bow

Graham Allen, Nottingham North

Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

Luciana Berger, Liverpool Wavertree

Ben Bradshaw, Exeter

Kevin Brennan, Cardiff West

Lyn Brown, West Ham

Chris Bryant, Rhondda

Karen Buck, Westminster North

Dawn Butler, Brent Central

Ruth Cadbury, Brentford and Isleworth

Ann Clwyd, Cynon Valley

Ann Coffey, Stockport

Neil Coyle, Bermondsey and Old Southwark

Mary Creagh, Wakefield

Stella Creasy, Walthamstow

Thangam Debbonaire, Bristol West

Stephen Doughty, Cardiff South and Penarth

Jim Dowd, Lewisham West and Penge

Maria Eagle, Garston and Halewood

Louise Ellman, Liverpool Riverside

Paul Farrelly, Newcastle-under-Lyme

Vicky Foxcroft, Lewisham, Deptford

Mike Gapes, Ilford South

Lilian Greenwood, Nottingham South

Helen Hayes, Dulwich and West Norwood

Meg Hiller, Hackney South and Shoreditch

Rupa Huq, Ealing Central and Acton

Peter Kyle, Hove

David Lammy, Tottenham

Rachael Maskell, York Central

Kerry McCarthy, Bristol East

Catherine McKinnell, Newcastle-upon-Tyne North

Madeleine Moon, Bridgend

Ian Murray, Edinburgh South

Stephen Pound, Ealing North

Virendra Sharma, Ealing Southall

Tulip Siddiq, Hampstead and Kilburn

Andy Slaughter, Hammersmith

Jeff Smith, Manchester Withington

Owen Smith, Pontypridd

Jo Stevens, Cardiff Central

Stephen Timms, East Ham

Catherine West, Hornsey and Wood Green

Alan Whitehead, Southampton Test

Daniel Zeichner, Cambridge



Lib Dems:

Tom Brake, Carshalton and Wallington

Alistair Carmichael, Orkney and Shetland

Nick Clegg, Sheffield Hallam

Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale

Sarah Olney, Richmond Park

John Pugh, Southport

Mark Williams, Ceredigion


CONSERVATIVES:

Ken Clarke, Rushcliffe


SNP:

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Ochil and South Perthshire

Richard Arkless, Dumfries and Galloway

Hannah Bardell, Livingston

Mhairi Black, Paisley and Renfrewshire South

Ian Blackford, Ross, Sky and Lochaber

Kirstey Blackman, Aberdeen North

Philip Boswell, Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill

Deidre Brock, Edinburgh North and Leith

Alan Brown, KIlmarnock and Loudoun

Lisa Cameron, East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow

Douglas Chapman, Dunfermline and West Fife

Joanna Cherry, Edinburgh South West

Ronnie Cowan, Inverclyde

Angela Crawley, Lanark and Hamilton East

Martyn Day, Linlithgow and East Falkirk

Martin Docherty-Hughes, West Dunbartonshire

Stuart Blair Donaldson, West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine

Margaret Ferrier, Rutherglen and Hamilton West

Stephen Gethins, North East Fife

Patricia Gibson, North Ayrshire and Arran

Patrick Grady, Glenrothes

Neil Gray, Aidrie and Shotts

Drew Hendry, Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey

Stewart Hosie, Dundee East

George Kerevan, East Lothian

Calum Kerr, Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

Chris Law, Dundee West

Angus Brendan MacNeil,

John McNallty, Falkirk

Stewart McDonald, Glasgow South

Stuart McDonald, Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East

Anne McLaughlin, Glasgow North East

Carol Monaghan, Glasgow North West

Paul Monaghan, Cathness, Sutherland and Easter Ross

Roger Mullin, Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath

Gavin Newlands, Paisley and Renfrewshire North

John Nicholson, East Dunbartonshire,

Brendan O'Hara, Argyll and Bute

Kirsten Oswald, East Renfrewshire

Steven Paterson, Stirling

Angus Robertson, Moray

Alex Salmond, Gordon

Tommy Sheppard, Edinburgh East

Chris Stephens, Glasgow South West

Alison Thewliss, Glasgow Central

Mike Weir, Angus

Elidh Whiteford, Banff and Buchan

Philippa Whitford, Central Ayrshire

Pete Wishart, Perth and North Perthshire

Green Party:

Caroline Lucas, Brighton Pavilion


Plaid Cymru:

Liz Saville Roberts, Dwyfor Meirionnydd

Hywel Williams, Arfon

Independent:

Lady Harmon, North Down

Natalie McGarry, Glasgow East

Michella Thomson, Edinburgh West

Social Democratic and Labour Party:

Mark Durkan, Foyle

Alasdair McDonnell, Belfast South

Margaret Ritchie, South Down

Good people

 

[peteblue]

Good people

@kenclarke likes this......

 

[Chewbacca]

@kenclarke likes this......

Only Tory that would escape the guillotine for me

 

[Number_25]

I worry when Parliament votes overwhelmingly to give the people a referendum to determine whether we remain or leave the EU, then the losing side refuse to accept the result. This is the kiss of death to Democratic voting. All of the mealy mouthed 'but this and that wasn't on the voting paper' and 'they didn't know what they were voting for' excuses to try to reverse the result is quite frankly disgraceful. To have people like Clegg who proposed years ago to have a referendum and let the people decide on Europe, and his puppet replacement who refuses to accept the result but insists that there should be another referendum is hypocracy of the highest order. I have very little time for Corbyn but at least he has shown support for the democratic process, so far..........

I'm sorry mate, but the facts exists - regardless of however you try to spin it.

• We never voted to leave the single market.
• The Tories expressed in detail their commitment to remain within the single market in their general election winning 2015 manifesto.

 

[peteblue]

I'm sorry mate, but the facts exists - regardless of however you try to spin it.

• We never voted to leave the single market.
• The Tories expressed in detail their commitment to remain within the single market in their general election winning 2015 manifesto.

We voted to leave the EU, full stop. The tories, led by the PM and Chancellor, were in favour of remaining. The people, the ones who were expected to give their approval, voted to leave. Your risible argument about the single market has been addressed before, but like many remainers you bury you head and refuse to accept the result of a democratic vote. Even Parliament has now decided to accept the result.

At least a couple of Libdems understand....even if their leader doesn't......

Explaining his decision to abstain last night on Twitter, former health minister Mr Lamb posted: “We are democrats.

“For better or worse we all voted to hold the referendum. You can't now say we reject the result.”

He added: “I am a democrat. We gave people a vote. We can't ignore what they decided.”

 

[neil999]

Only Tory that would escape the guillotine for me

british american tobacco

 

[Tubey]

We voted to leave the EU, full stop.

Nope.

Question was, "Should the UK remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

The question was not how we leave the European Union. It was a non-binary, advisory referendum.

Politicians voting with the idea that it was binary and they have to mindlessly follow it are neglecting their duties. They should be doing what they are elected and paid to do - act in the best interests of their constituents and their country.

 

[Armel]

I see Germany is panicking and now pushing the EU to get its fingers out and start doing trade deals. It was also quite amusing to see that the Belgian government had produced a report about Brexit that said that the EU needs to do a free trade deal sharpish with the UK as 1/4 jobs in Belgium depend on U.K. Trade.....

I think you've read an incorrect version of the rapport Buyse because the numbers are of. Realistically they want everything to stay the same but won't happen; because incompatible targets. As a first choice they want no tariffs. But realistically they are also happy with this: very decent transitional measures + guidance to refocus their efforts towards other countries (+the creation and enlargement of a special European fund to help to refocus the trade towards other countries) because they recognize that the UK won't be a partner and would possibly threaten the 4 liberties of the internal market. The UK is the fourth biggest export partner of Belgium; mainly important for agriculture and textile; the UK is the fifth biggest exporter to Belgium. Also the UK an extremely insignificant partner of the Walloons; so that's a big problem since they are equally important.

So transitional measures are what they want realistacly and help to refocus; they can live with the tariffs if fund and such.

 

[peteblue]

I think you've read an incorrect version of the rapport Buyse because the numbers are of. Realistically they want everything to stay the same but won't happen; because incompatible targets. As a first choice they want no tariffs. But realistically they are also happy with this: very decent transitional measures + guidance to refocus their efforts towards other countries (+the creation and enlargement of a special European fund to help to refocus the trade towards other countries) because they recognize that the UK won't be a partner and would possibly threaten the 4 liberties of the internal market. The UK is the fourth biggest export partner of Belgium; mainly important for agriculture and textile; the UK is the fifth biggest exporter to Belgium. Also the UK an extremely insignificant partner of the Walloons; so that's a big problem since they are equally important.

So transitional measures are what they want realistacly and help to refocus; they can live with the tariffs if fund and such.

Thanks....

 

[Catfish Blues]

I don't really understand why people are getting stressed about this.

Lots of arguments were put forward by both remain and leave, and quite a few of them were deliberately exaggerated by both sides, but okay that's politics.

The electorate listened, and voted, and the leave camp won on a combination of issues, one of which was immigration, including EU migrants, so there's some logic in the government going for a hard Brexit, because that's the consequence of us not being able to stay in the Single Market without free movement.

Basically, it's done and we should concentrate on the process of withdrawal, including leaving the Single Market, and then get on with negogiating a deal to get as much as we can without allowing free movement.

I voted Remain by the way, but the majority didn't. It's time to move on, not bicker pointlessly.

 

[peteblue]

Nope.

Question was, "Should the UK remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?"

The question was not how we leave the European Union. It was a non-binary, advisory referendum.

Politicians voting with the idea that it was binary and they have to mindlessly follow it are neglecting their duties. They should be doing what they are elected and paid to do - act in the best interests of their constituents and their country.

Correct, the question was not HOW, so why do you now raise it. I don't remember one single mention of HOW before the vote. So the electorate answered the question Remain or Leave as you state, and we voted Leave.

I like the way you trust politicians to act in the best interests of their constituents, but apparently do not trust them when they follow the verdict of a vote that they themselves gave to the people. Unbelievable......

 

[Gwladysstreetlad]

Good people

You really think Ken Clarke, David Lammy, Owen Smith, Alex Salmond, Nick Clegg or Dim Farron can be classed as 'good people'?! And why would you say they were 'good people'? Simply because you agree with them on one issue? Hardly a decent basis to decide who's a good person and who isn't.

 

[peteblue]

I don't really understand why people are getting stressed about this.

Lots of arguments were put forward by both remain and leave, and quite a few of them were deliberately exaggerated by both sides, but okay that's politics.

The electorate listened, and voted, and the leave camp won on a combination of issues, one of which was immigration, including EU migrants, so there's some logic in the government going for a hard Brexit, because that's the consequence of us not being able to stay in the Single Market without free movement.

Basically, it's done and we should concentrate on the process of withdrawal, including leaving the Single Market, and then get on with negogiating a deal to get as much as we can without allowing free movement.

I voted Remain by the way, but the majority didn't. It's time to move on, not bicker pointlessly.

Exactly......

 

[Joey66]

Only Tory that would escape the guillotine for me

The very same one who as chancellor wanted us, and used the same argument to join the Euro as it would be devastating - look how wrong he was get back to the brandy Ken!