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THE LEADING City of London lobby group today performed a dramatic u-turn by dropping its past opposition to Britain's exit from the EU.

In a surprise reversal, TheCityUK hailed last year's historic referendum vote to break ties with Brussels as an "unprecedented opportunity" for the country.

It also urged the Government to overhaul trade and investment policy to ensure that British business and financial services sector can make the best out of Brexit.

TheCityUK, which represents the financial sector including firms employing more than two million people in total, had campaigned against leaving the EU in the run up to the referendum.


Amazing how it changes....damn those stupid Brexit voters......
 
peteblue said:
THE LEADING City of London lobby group today performed a dramatic u-turn by dropping its past opposition to Britain's exit from the EU.

In a surprise reversal, TheCityUK hailed last year's historic referendum vote to break ties with Brussels as an "unprecedented opportunity" for the country.

It also urged the Government to overhaul trade and investment policy to ensure that British business and financial services sector can make the best out of Brexit.

TheCityUK, which represents the financial sector including firms employing more than two million people in total, had campaigned against leaving the EU in the run up to the referendum.


Amazing how it changes....damn those stupid Brexit voters......
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Well yeah, but TheCityUK works on behalf of businesses and will be looking to grow. They're hardly going to come out and say we're all doomed because we're leaving the EU whether they were remain advocates or not.
 
peteblue said:
THE LEADING City of London lobby group today performed a dramatic u-turn by dropping its past opposition to Britain's exit from the EU.

In a surprise reversal, TheCityUK hailed last year's historic referendum vote to break ties with Brussels as an "unprecedented opportunity" for the country.

It also urged the Government to overhaul trade and investment policy to ensure that British business and financial services sector can make the best out of Brexit.

TheCityUK, which represents the financial sector including firms employing more than two million people in total, had campaigned against leaving the EU in the run up to the referendum.


Amazing how it changes....damn those stupid Brexit voters......
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Have a look at this Pete - https://thefutureshapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/pol_risk.pdf

It shows a clear correlation between levels of political uncertainty and spending on lobbying. Industry undoubtedly accepts that Brexit is happening, and whilst they may not agree with it, they will undoubtedly do all they can to get the best out of it as they can.

Think about it. If you're Theresa May, and you've got an industry that gives you stick versus an industry that pats your back, which do you think you will support more in the Brexit negotiations?

CityUK no more support Brexit than May herself supports what Trump is doing, but needs must...
 
Bruce Wayne said:
Have a look at this Pete - https://thefutureshapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/pol_risk.pdf

It shows a clear correlation between levels of political uncertainty and spending on lobbying. Industry undoubtedly accepts that Brexit is happening, and whilst they may not agree with it, they will undoubtedly do all they can to get the best out of it as they can.

Think about it. If you're Theresa May, and you've got an industry that gives you stick versus an industry that pats your back, which do you think you will support more in the Brexit negotiations?

CityUK no more support Brexit than May herself supports what Trump is doing, but needs must...
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The issue I read within that document was between being Policy Sensitive v Policy Neutral and really just saying that while no industry wants uncertainty or disruption that it's better to be closer to the politicians than not. Businesses will evolve to meet the circumstances and environment obviously and I took the original post to be one of showing how while something initially seems dark and dangerous, with more clarity, thought and strategic vision can actually turn into a massive opportunity......or as you say, we are where we are so let's make the best of it.....
 
Just listening to that Sir Ivan Rogers at the select committee. He seems to spend more time telling the committee how difficult and complex everything is than actually showing any actual knowledge of how negotiations should progress. I am so very glad that this guy will not be involved in any way during our exit discussions........
 
Sometimes business needs to be patted on the head and told that the bigger picture demands actions which are at odds with its perceived interests.

I'm reminded of July 1914 when the then Governor of the Bank of England and leading City figures lobbied Lloyd George (then the Chancellor in Asquith's government) to keep the Empire out of the European war.

Lloyd George, at the last gasp, defied them, damaged his standing with his party and assented to the war.

Not suggesting that circumstances are similar, rather that a perception of the "national interest" may well amount to more than pounds and pence.
 
1966efc said:
Sometimes business needs to be patted on the head and told that the bigger picture demands actions which are at odds with its perceived interests.

I'm reminded of July 1914 when the then Governor of the Bank of England and leading City figures lobbied Lloyd George (then the Chancellor in Asquith's government) to keep the Empire out of the European war.

Lloyd George, at the last gasp, defied them, damaged his standing with his party and assented to the war.

Not suggesting that circumstances are similar, rather that a perception of the "national interest" may well amount to more than pounds and pence.
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It's probably more akin to cosying up to the captain to make sure you get your share of the lifeboats when the ship sinks tbh.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
It's probably more akin to cosying up to the captain to make sure you get your share of the lifeboat
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When the figurative ship strikes the potential rocks, no doubt the hypothetical lifeboats will sail serenely down the metaphorical channel. In an allegorical sense.

Even more appositely, the point remains that it can be seen (and it's down to judgment rather than precedent) that business concerns aren't the whole of the matter.
 
So our MP's vote 6-1 to give the Brexit vote to the people, the people vote and vote leave, the following ignore the UK referendum and do what they want.......

They should be ashamed of themselves and I hope never again try to invoke 'the will of the people'.....


Below is the full list of 114 MPs who voted against Article 50

LABOUR:

Heidi Alexander, Lewisham East

Rushanara Ali, Bethnal Green and Bow

Graham Allen, Nottingham North

Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

Luciana Berger, Liverpool Wavertree

Ben Bradshaw, Exeter

Kevin Brennan, Cardiff West

Lyn Brown, West Ham

Chris Bryant, Rhondda

Karen Buck, Westminster North

Dawn Butler, Brent Central

Ruth Cadbury, Brentford and Isleworth

Ann Clwyd, Cynon Valley

Ann Coffey, Stockport

Neil Coyle, Bermondsey and Old Southwark

Mary Creagh, Wakefield

Stella Creasy, Walthamstow

Thangam Debbonaire, Bristol West

Stephen Doughty, Cardiff South and Penarth

Jim Dowd, Lewisham West and Penge

Maria Eagle, Garston and Halewood

Louise Ellman, Liverpool Riverside

Paul Farrelly, Newcastle-under-Lyme

Vicky Foxcroft, Lewisham, Deptford

Mike Gapes, Ilford South

Lilian Greenwood, Nottingham South

Helen Hayes, Dulwich and West Norwood

Meg Hiller, Hackney South and Shoreditch

Rupa Huq, Ealing Central and Acton

Peter Kyle, Hove

David Lammy, Tottenham

Rachael Maskell, York Central

Kerry McCarthy, Bristol East

Catherine McKinnell, Newcastle-upon-Tyne North

Madeleine Moon, Bridgend

Ian Murray, Edinburgh South

Stephen Pound, Ealing North

Virendra Sharma, Ealing Southall

Tulip Siddiq, Hampstead and Kilburn

Andy Slaughter, Hammersmith

Jeff Smith, Manchester Withington

Owen Smith, Pontypridd

Jo Stevens, Cardiff Central

Stephen Timms, East Ham

Catherine West, Hornsey and Wood Green

Alan Whitehead, Southampton Test

Daniel Zeichner, Cambridge



Lib Dems:

Tom Brake, Carshalton and Wallington

Alistair Carmichael, Orkney and Shetland

Nick Clegg, Sheffield Hallam

Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale

Sarah Olney, Richmond Park

John Pugh, Southport

Mark Williams, Ceredigion


CONSERVATIVES:

Ken Clarke, Rushcliffe


SNP:

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Ochil and South Perthshire

Richard Arkless, Dumfries and Galloway

Hannah Bardell, Livingston

Mhairi Black, Paisley and Renfrewshire South

Ian Blackford, Ross, Sky and Lochaber

Kirstey Blackman, Aberdeen North

Philip Boswell, Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill

Deidre Brock, Edinburgh North and Leith

Alan Brown, KIlmarnock and Loudoun

Lisa Cameron, East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow

Douglas Chapman, Dunfermline and West Fife

Joanna Cherry, Edinburgh South West

Ronnie Cowan, Inverclyde

Angela Crawley, Lanark and Hamilton East

Martyn Day, Linlithgow and East Falkirk

Martin Docherty-Hughes, West Dunbartonshire

Stuart Blair Donaldson, West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine

Margaret Ferrier, Rutherglen and Hamilton West

Stephen Gethins, North East Fife

Patricia Gibson, North Ayrshire and Arran

Patrick Grady, Glenrothes

Neil Gray, Aidrie and Shotts

Drew Hendry, Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey

Stewart Hosie, Dundee East

George Kerevan, East Lothian

Calum Kerr, Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

Chris Law, Dundee West

Angus Brendan MacNeil,

John McNallty, Falkirk

Stewart McDonald, Glasgow South

Stuart McDonald, Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East

Anne McLaughlin, Glasgow North East

Carol Monaghan, Glasgow North West

Paul Monaghan, Cathness, Sutherland and Easter Ross

Roger Mullin, Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath

Gavin Newlands, Paisley and Renfrewshire North

John Nicholson, East Dunbartonshire,

Brendan O'Hara, Argyll and Bute

Kirsten Oswald, East Renfrewshire

Steven Paterson, Stirling

Angus Robertson, Moray

Alex Salmond, Gordon

Tommy Sheppard, Edinburgh East

Chris Stephens, Glasgow South West

Alison Thewliss, Glasgow Central

Mike Weir, Angus

Elidh Whiteford, Banff and Buchan

Philippa Whitford, Central Ayrshire

Pete Wishart, Perth and North Perthshire

Green Party:

Caroline Lucas, Brighton Pavilion


Plaid Cymru:

Liz Saville Roberts, Dwyfor Meirionnydd

Hywel Williams, Arfon

Independent:

Lady Harmon, North Down

Natalie McGarry, Glasgow East

Michella Thomson, Edinburgh West

Social Democratic and Labour Party:

Mark Durkan, Foyle

Alasdair McDonnell, Belfast South

Margaret Ritchie, South Down
 
peteblue said:
So our MP's vote 6-1 to give the Brexit vote to the people, the people vote and vote leave, the following ignore the UK referendum and do what they want.......

They should be ashamed of themselves and I hope never again try to invoke 'the will of the people'.....


Below is the full list of 114 MPs who voted against Article 50

LABOUR:

Heidi Alexander, Lewisham East

Rushanara Ali, Bethnal Green and Bow

Graham Allen, Nottingham North

Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

Luciana Berger, Liverpool Wavertree

Ben Bradshaw, Exeter

Kevin Brennan, Cardiff West

Lyn Brown, West Ham

Chris Bryant, Rhondda

Karen Buck, Westminster North

Dawn Butler, Brent Central

Ruth Cadbury, Brentford and Isleworth

Ann Clwyd, Cynon Valley

Ann Coffey, Stockport

Neil Coyle, Bermondsey and Old Southwark

Mary Creagh, Wakefield

Stella Creasy, Walthamstow

Thangam Debbonaire, Bristol West

Stephen Doughty, Cardiff South and Penarth

Jim Dowd, Lewisham West and Penge

Maria Eagle, Garston and Halewood

Louise Ellman, Liverpool Riverside

Paul Farrelly, Newcastle-under-Lyme

Vicky Foxcroft, Lewisham, Deptford

Mike Gapes, Ilford South

Lilian Greenwood, Nottingham South

Helen Hayes, Dulwich and West Norwood

Meg Hiller, Hackney South and Shoreditch

Rupa Huq, Ealing Central and Acton

Peter Kyle, Hove

David Lammy, Tottenham

Rachael Maskell, York Central

Kerry McCarthy, Bristol East

Catherine McKinnell, Newcastle-upon-Tyne North

Madeleine Moon, Bridgend

Ian Murray, Edinburgh South

Stephen Pound, Ealing North

Virendra Sharma, Ealing Southall

Tulip Siddiq, Hampstead and Kilburn

Andy Slaughter, Hammersmith

Jeff Smith, Manchester Withington

Owen Smith, Pontypridd

Jo Stevens, Cardiff Central

Stephen Timms, East Ham

Catherine West, Hornsey and Wood Green

Alan Whitehead, Southampton Test

Daniel Zeichner, Cambridge



Lib Dems:

Tom Brake, Carshalton and Wallington

Alistair Carmichael, Orkney and Shetland

Nick Clegg, Sheffield Hallam

Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale

Sarah Olney, Richmond Park

John Pugh, Southport

Mark Williams, Ceredigion


CONSERVATIVES:

Ken Clarke, Rushcliffe


SNP:

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Ochil and South Perthshire

Richard Arkless, Dumfries and Galloway

Hannah Bardell, Livingston

Mhairi Black, Paisley and Renfrewshire South

Ian Blackford, Ross, Sky and Lochaber

Kirstey Blackman, Aberdeen North

Philip Boswell, Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill

Deidre Brock, Edinburgh North and Leith

Alan Brown, KIlmarnock and Loudoun

Lisa Cameron, East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow

Douglas Chapman, Dunfermline and West Fife

Joanna Cherry, Edinburgh South West

Ronnie Cowan, Inverclyde

Angela Crawley, Lanark and Hamilton East

Martyn Day, Linlithgow and East Falkirk

Martin Docherty-Hughes, West Dunbartonshire

Stuart Blair Donaldson, West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine

Margaret Ferrier, Rutherglen and Hamilton West

Stephen Gethins, North East Fife

Patricia Gibson, North Ayrshire and Arran

Patrick Grady, Glenrothes

Neil Gray, Aidrie and Shotts

Drew Hendry, Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey

Stewart Hosie, Dundee East

George Kerevan, East Lothian

Calum Kerr, Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

Chris Law, Dundee West

Angus Brendan MacNeil,

John McNallty, Falkirk

Stewart McDonald, Glasgow South

Stuart McDonald, Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East

Anne McLaughlin, Glasgow North East

Carol Monaghan, Glasgow North West

Paul Monaghan, Cathness, Sutherland and Easter Ross

Roger Mullin, Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath

Gavin Newlands, Paisley and Renfrewshire North

John Nicholson, East Dunbartonshire,

Brendan O'Hara, Argyll and Bute

Kirsten Oswald, East Renfrewshire

Steven Paterson, Stirling

Angus Robertson, Moray

Alex Salmond, Gordon

Tommy Sheppard, Edinburgh East

Chris Stephens, Glasgow South West

Alison Thewliss, Glasgow Central

Mike Weir, Angus

Elidh Whiteford, Banff and Buchan

Philippa Whitford, Central Ayrshire

Pete Wishart, Perth and North Perthshire

Green Party:

Caroline Lucas, Brighton Pavilion


Plaid Cymru:

Liz Saville Roberts, Dwyfor Meirionnydd

Hywel Williams, Arfon

Independent:

Lady Harmon, North Down

Natalie McGarry, Glasgow East

Michella Thomson, Edinburgh West

Social Democratic and Labour Party:

Mark Durkan, Foyle

Alasdair McDonnell, Belfast South

Margaret Ritchie, South Down
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If their constituencies were for Remain, then they had every right and imo a duty, to vote against, as they're representing the views of the people who elected them.
 
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