Current Affairs EU In or Out

[flibbyflob]

It will be fascinating to look back at that list after the next general election to see how many lose their seats and in particular the ones who voted against it when the constituency they represent voted out.

 

[Number_25]

If their constituencies were for Remain, then they had every right and imo a duty, to vote against, as they're representing the views of the people who elected them.

I'm sorry, I really do not buy into this whatsoever. As it was so eloquently pointed out yesterday, Democracy wasn't conceptualised - or ceased to exist in June 2016. The conservatives won the 2015 general election on the mandate of remaining in the ESM - regardless of which ever way the vote goes.

Nobody said under any certain terms that we were going to leave the ESM, or the ECU.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I'm sorry, I really do not buy into this whatsoever. As it was so eloquently pointed out yesterday, Democracy wasn't conceptualised - or ceased to exist in June 2016. The conservatives won the 2015 general election on the mandate of remaining in the ESM - regardless of which ever way the vote goes.

Nobody said under any certain terms that we were going to leave the ESM, or the ECU.

May has made it clear that we're going to lose our single market access as she considers that the vote was driven by the immigration issue and therefore free movement has to go.

I don't remember the ballot paper having that question on it either...................

 

[The Cowboy]

If their constituencies were for Remain, then they had every right and imo a duty, to vote against, as they're representing the views of the people who elected them.

I agree with this. The ones in Leave area who voted remain should be ashamed of themselves, though.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

I agree with this. The ones in Leave area who voted remain should be ashamed of themselves, though.

They all knew that a vote against was never going to affect the outcome though in fairness. So those who did feel they couldn't vote for, due to their personal beliefs, were offering little more than a token objection.

It'd have only been a genuine issue had the vote been likely to be close.

 

[1966efc]

The ones in Leave area who voted remain should be ashamed of themselves, though.

Many of them know they've got nothing to lose. In 3 years, they're going to be out of a job.

 

[Number_25]

May has made it clear that we're going to lose our single market access as she considers that the vote was driven by the immigration issue and therefore free movement has to go.

I don't remember the ballot paper having that question on it either...................

I'm sorry, but democracy really doesn't work like that.

I worry for it. I worry for us. I worry about the state of the world in 10 years time.

I hope I'm proved wrong, but alas - I can't envisage it.

 

[neil999]

once we are out, the right wing is gonna have to come up with a new scapegoat...

 

[peteblue]

They all knew that a vote against was never going to affect the outcome though in fairness. So those who did feel they couldn't vote for, due to their personal beliefs, were offering little more than a token objection.

It'd have only been a genuine issue had the vote been likely to be close.

Don't forget that poor woman who had a migraine and had to go home and tweet..........

 

[peteblue]

once we are out, the right wing is gonna have to come up with a new scapegoat...

A scapegoat for what ? Against all the scare stories the economy continues to outperform the EU, we will be building and growing links with old friends and developing new. This country has no need for scapegoats, but nor does it have a need for governance via Brussels or an EU court or open borders. In spite of everything that the remain side projected, in spite of all the doom and gloom, we are doing OK and will do even better in the future......

 

[neil999]

A scapegoat for what ? Against all the scare stories the economy continues to outperform the EU, we will be building and growing links with old friends and developing new. This country has no need for scapegoats, but nor does it have a need for governance via Brussels or an EU court or open borders. In spite of everything that the remain side projected, in spite of all the doom and gloom, we are doing OK and will do even better in the future......

in the words of kenwright...watch this space

 

[peteblue]

I see Germany is panicking and now pushing the EU to get its fingers out and start doing trade deals. It was also quite amusing to see that the Belgian government had produced a report about Brexit that said that the EU needs to do a free trade deal sharpish with the UK as 1/4 jobs in Belgium depend on U.K. Trade.....

 

[edge]

I see Germany is panicking and now pushing the EU to get its fingers out and start doing trade deals. It was also quite amusing to see that the Belgian government had produced a report about Brexit that said that the EU needs to do a free trade deal sharpish with the UK as 1/4 jobs in Belgium depend on U.K. Trade.....

Spanish agriculture minister said pretty much the same last week , need to get moving on it.

 

[neil999]

A scapegoat for what ? Against all the scare stories the economy continues to outperform the EU, we will be building and growing links with old friends and developing new. This country has no need for scapegoats, but nor does it have a need for governance via Brussels or an EU court or open borders. In spite of everything that the remain side projected, in spite of all the doom and gloom, we are doing OK and will do even better in the future......

i'll re-word it as we arent gonna agree on it, what will be their next target? EU has been such a big thing for the right for decades now..

 

[edge]

So our MP's vote 6-1 to give the Brexit vote to the people, the people vote and vote leave, the following ignore the UK referendum and do what they want.......

They should be ashamed of themselves and I hope never again try to invoke 'the will of the people'.....


Below is the full list of 114 MPs who voted against Article 50

LABOUR:

Heidi Alexander, Lewisham East

Rushanara Ali, Bethnal Green and Bow

Graham Allen, Nottingham North

Rosena Allin-Khan, Tooting

Luciana Berger, Liverpool Wavertree

Ben Bradshaw, Exeter

Kevin Brennan, Cardiff West

Lyn Brown, West Ham

Chris Bryant, Rhondda

Karen Buck, Westminster North

Dawn Butler, Brent Central

Ruth Cadbury, Brentford and Isleworth

Ann Clwyd, Cynon Valley

Ann Coffey, Stockport

Neil Coyle, Bermondsey and Old Southwark

Mary Creagh, Wakefield

Stella Creasy, Walthamstow

Thangam Debbonaire, Bristol West

Stephen Doughty, Cardiff South and Penarth

Jim Dowd, Lewisham West and Penge

Maria Eagle, Garston and Halewood

Louise Ellman, Liverpool Riverside

Paul Farrelly, Newcastle-under-Lyme

Vicky Foxcroft, Lewisham, Deptford

Mike Gapes, Ilford South

Lilian Greenwood, Nottingham South

Helen Hayes, Dulwich and West Norwood

Meg Hiller, Hackney South and Shoreditch

Rupa Huq, Ealing Central and Acton

Peter Kyle, Hove

David Lammy, Tottenham

Rachael Maskell, York Central

Kerry McCarthy, Bristol East

Catherine McKinnell, Newcastle-upon-Tyne North

Madeleine Moon, Bridgend

Ian Murray, Edinburgh South

Stephen Pound, Ealing North

Virendra Sharma, Ealing Southall

Tulip Siddiq, Hampstead and Kilburn

Andy Slaughter, Hammersmith

Jeff Smith, Manchester Withington

Owen Smith, Pontypridd

Jo Stevens, Cardiff Central

Stephen Timms, East Ham

Catherine West, Hornsey and Wood Green

Alan Whitehead, Southampton Test

Daniel Zeichner, Cambridge



Lib Dems:

Tom Brake, Carshalton and Wallington

Alistair Carmichael, Orkney and Shetland

Nick Clegg, Sheffield Hallam

Tim Farron, Westmorland and Lonsdale

Sarah Olney, Richmond Park

John Pugh, Southport

Mark Williams, Ceredigion


CONSERVATIVES:

Ken Clarke, Rushcliffe


SNP:

Tasmina Ahmed-Sheikh, Ochil and South Perthshire

Richard Arkless, Dumfries and Galloway

Hannah Bardell, Livingston

Mhairi Black, Paisley and Renfrewshire South

Ian Blackford, Ross, Sky and Lochaber

Kirstey Blackman, Aberdeen North

Philip Boswell, Coatbridge, Chryston and Bellshill

Deidre Brock, Edinburgh North and Leith

Alan Brown, KIlmarnock and Loudoun

Lisa Cameron, East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow

Douglas Chapman, Dunfermline and West Fife

Joanna Cherry, Edinburgh South West

Ronnie Cowan, Inverclyde

Angela Crawley, Lanark and Hamilton East

Martyn Day, Linlithgow and East Falkirk

Martin Docherty-Hughes, West Dunbartonshire

Stuart Blair Donaldson, West Aberdeenshire and Kincardine

Margaret Ferrier, Rutherglen and Hamilton West

Stephen Gethins, North East Fife

Patricia Gibson, North Ayrshire and Arran

Patrick Grady, Glenrothes

Neil Gray, Aidrie and Shotts

Drew Hendry, Inverness, Nairn, Badenoch and Strathspey

Stewart Hosie, Dundee East

George Kerevan, East Lothian

Calum Kerr, Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk

Chris Law, Dundee West

Angus Brendan MacNeil,

John McNallty, Falkirk

Stewart McDonald, Glasgow South

Stuart McDonald, Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East

Anne McLaughlin, Glasgow North East

Carol Monaghan, Glasgow North West

Paul Monaghan, Cathness, Sutherland and Easter Ross

Roger Mullin, Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath

Gavin Newlands, Paisley and Renfrewshire North

John Nicholson, East Dunbartonshire,

Brendan O'Hara, Argyll and Bute

Kirsten Oswald, East Renfrewshire

Steven Paterson, Stirling

Angus Robertson, Moray

Alex Salmond, Gordon

Tommy Sheppard, Edinburgh East

Chris Stephens, Glasgow South West

Alison Thewliss, Glasgow Central

Mike Weir, Angus

Elidh Whiteford, Banff and Buchan

Philippa Whitford, Central Ayrshire

Pete Wishart, Perth and North Perthshire

Green Party:

Caroline Lucas, Brighton Pavilion


Plaid Cymru:

Liz Saville Roberts, Dwyfor Meirionnydd

Hywel Williams, Arfon

Independent:

Lady Harmon, North Down

Natalie McGarry, Glasgow East

Michella Thomson, Edinburgh West

Social Democratic and Labour Party:

Mark Durkan, Foyle

Alasdair McDonnell, Belfast South

Margaret Ritchie, South Down

sooner we get rid of Scotland the better