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I'm saying nothing that is not already self-evident.
If you want an argument, look elsewhere...
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I'm saying nothing that is not already self-evident.
If you want an argument, look elsewhere...
Yes what he said was pretty scathing but I sensed that he had no real political bias or axe to grind but was just saying things as he saw them which to me made what he said even more powerful.
Actually (to anyone who fancies reading it and might otherwise be put off) his comments about immigration or Merkel were just a small part of the article - his main treatise was that the current capitalist system (generally called neoliberal globalisation or neoliberal capitalism) as he has it was seriously failing and things will get worse.
With my fairly middling sort of income and life but being close to those with even less I can witness the truth in what he is saying. I think we can all see that there seems to be less and less money around for public services and utilities and many peoples standard of living has dropped.
It's hard to know how to sort this. Certainly Brexit alone or Remaining in the EU alone are not going to do it. We need something radically different but I'm not sure what?
some in Liverpool vote yes some voted no ,why does it matter its supposed to be the second most left wing city after Glasgow so it not a shock, Sunderland which is very like Liverpool in many ways voted the other way.
its neighbour Newcastle again very similar voted to stay, a simplistic reason could be that most of the stay cities had a large university population but that's been done to death in here.
I thought that was an excellent article. Thanks for posting it. I thought the most telling point was the one about Margaret Thatcher saying her greatest achievement was Blair and Gordon Brown. A lot of the issues we are facing now started then. Greed became a good thing. Profit more important than anything else. The unions, who had been one of the main bulwarks against rampant capitalism became increasingly irrelevant. Politics became much narrower, with little to differentiate the main parties. Traditional industries were deliberately destroyed through de-nationalisation and lack of investment. Communities went with them. We put all of our eggs into the financial services industries and then stopped regulating them. When the crash came we almost bankrupted ourselves to get back to the same crappy position and have carried on the same as before, with the same people back making money. The ones who have suffered are the ones who always suffer, the poor, the under-educated, the disabled whose prospects remain bleak. I remember when we used to make things. I saw a stat the other day saying that 80% of our economy is based on services. We have sleep-walked into this situation and Brexit is one of the results of this. God knows what happened to opposition in this country. Back in the 70's and 80's there would have been marches, protests, even riots over Brexit, whichever way it turned out. Now it's a case of "I'm so angry about this I'm going to post a tweet about it".
Rant over, but reading that article became a "blinding flash of the obvious" moment for me and coalesced thoughts I've been having for a while now.
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dav,
Another excellent post!
Another excellent post!
Thanks mate. On a roll now.
Chris Rea had it right:
"The Road To Hell (Part I)"
Stood still on a highway
I saw a woman
By the side of the road
With a face that I knew like my own
Reflected in my window
Well she walked up to my quarterlight
And she bent down real slow
A fearful pressure paralysed me in my shadow
She said 'son what are you doing here
My fear for you has turned me in my grave'
I said 'mama I come to the valley of the rich
Myself to sell'
She said 'son this is the road to hell'
On your journey cross the wilderness
From the desert to the well
You have strayed upon the motorway to hell
"The Road To Hell (Part II)"
Well I'm standing by the river
But the water doesn't flow
It boils with every poison you can think of
And I'm underneath the streetlight
But the light of joy I know
Scared beyond belief way down in the shadows
And the perverted fear of violence
Chokes the smile on every face
And common sense is ringing out the bell
This ain't no technological breakdown
Oh no, this is the road to hell
And all the roads jam up with credit
And there's nothing you can do
It's all just bits of paper flying away from you
Oh look out world, take a good look
What comes down here
You must learn this lesson fast and learn it well
This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway
Oh no, this is the road
Said this is the road
This is the road to hell
"The Road To Hell (Part I)"
Stood still on a highway
I saw a woman
By the side of the road
With a face that I knew like my own
Reflected in my window
Well she walked up to my quarterlight
And she bent down real slow
A fearful pressure paralysed me in my shadow
She said 'son what are you doing here
My fear for you has turned me in my grave'
I said 'mama I come to the valley of the rich
Myself to sell'
She said 'son this is the road to hell'
On your journey cross the wilderness
From the desert to the well
You have strayed upon the motorway to hell
"The Road To Hell (Part II)"
Well I'm standing by the river
But the water doesn't flow
It boils with every poison you can think of
And I'm underneath the streetlight
But the light of joy I know
Scared beyond belief way down in the shadows
And the perverted fear of violence
Chokes the smile on every face
And common sense is ringing out the bell
This ain't no technological breakdown
Oh no, this is the road to hell
And all the roads jam up with credit
And there's nothing you can do
It's all just bits of paper flying away from you
Oh look out world, take a good look
What comes down here
You must learn this lesson fast and learn it well
This ain't no upwardly mobile freeway
Oh no, this is the road
Said this is the road
This is the road to hell
We're in it, but not of it.
a bit like Liverpool the town and Lancashire, geographically/physically - yes, but for almost every other measurement you can think of... In fact the UK is 'in' even less, being an Island off the coast, with a different currency.
and besides they're all foreigners...but then again so are people from 'tellins
1966efc
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The U K ... Proudly independent since Francis Drake beat the Mormons in the Battle of Britain over the coast of London.
(1065 And All That).
joey_macmo
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What you're forgetting is that @Brennan was replying to a post citing specific reasons for London voting to remain.
It seems strange that you and others have decided to take this point up with him rather than the person who brought up the reasoning for a city voting in a certain way originally.
Duncan Disordely
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Voters in Sunderland now wishing they'd voted to stay according to their local press
I gave up responding to be honest, people just deliberately being obtuse and taking the discussion away from the point.
stay in the EU and we are still on it!
Clint Planet
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Is that a full 100% sample of voters in Sunderland? Or a minor snapshot...?
A minor snapshot, methinks. ANother section of Sunderland could be asked and the response could be completely different. Trash reporting, as usual...
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