Current Affairs EU In or Out
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AndyC
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I hope so !!
roydo
in memoriam - 1965-2024
Not that bothered if we are doing better or worse than anyone, if I am honest. Just want us to be ok, stable, able to trade, and have a reasonably predictive tax/GDP/expenditure/ spreadsheet to look at.
All of that is now jelly.
We already were.
I think we will go on to better things in the past Osbourne used to blame the EU for our lack of growth etc!
That will be out of the window world trade and we will get certain access to the single market free!
they meed us more than we need them 8 billion a year better off in two years time!
The Esk
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My daughter is just entering her 20's and she and her friends have sat round the kitchen table, they're all good students looking for a career in medicine, law, engineering etc etc. To a person, including my daughter, their attention is switching to where in the world they might like to work or continue post graduate studies - they cannot understand what has collectively happened to this nation of ours.
Now I know the finger can be pointed and it can be said of course they'll feel like that because they're (by virtue of the position they find themselves in) advantaged, but I have to ask if this conversation is going on around kitchen tables and student bars up and down the country, what becomes of this nation?
Our age demographics are already pretty awful, but if we see a drain of the best talent away from this country because they no longer associate themselves with the values of this government, the media and key influencers, what becomes of us?
The conversation in this thread has largely focused on the economics, but we can have an equally fraught conversation about values and messages Brexit, the removal of freedom of movement etc have on us as a nation.
The shift our nation is going through hasn't even started but it will be immense in every respect, and sadly not for the right reasons.
The Britain we grew up in, will not be the Britain of our children and grandchildren, and whilst we are far from perfect as a nation that worrues me deeply, not only for myself but for millions less fortunate who will not have the luxury of going elsewhere.
New Zealand is the place if I was young!
It is mate, but remember that sometimes one needs to take risks in life to find something better.
And I'm not sure that it wasn't going to all turn to jelly on its own, staying in the EU anyway
Ok well better still then
The Cowboy
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I'll be more disheartened if my 20-something kids aren't looking globally for their future employment.
The Esk
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What does that say about our country then?
yes food banks everywhere we are heading for a 2 trillion debt - and the opposition way out is to borrow another 1/2 a trillion?
The Cowboy
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Absolutely nothing. It says I want them to explore the world and everything it has to offer them.
That's only the way you are looking at it/seeing it with a particular tint of spectacles (though maybe we all do that - me included)
And that freedom of movement was only within the EU. Wouldn't it be great to have that everywhere? I realise that isn't likely to be on offer post Brexit but wouldn't it be great if it was or could be?
The binman chronicles
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I said I would try and stay out of the border issue because it is one big can of worms, but as there have been lots of posts regarding it and mostly to do with the inability to stop people coming across into the UK from NI (which I don't see as a big deal to be honest) here is my take on it:
If Northern Ireland wants to keep its borders open then that's fine, we just need passport controls on the Great Britain side if any foreign nationals are on any planes/Ferries coming across.
The big issue here is movement of goods that creates a loop hole, so if Ireland still in the EU can get the goods at the cheaper rates, what's stopping anyone coming from the north and getting the goods back across the border and likewise anyone from the UK doing that. (Obviously I'm not talking about booking a holiday to pick up a 15% discount on a TV, I'm talking about a dodgy companies setting up to move imported goods from Ireland and sell it on the mainland at EU rates.
I think it won't take long for the EU to realise why Ireland has become one of the biggest importers of EU goods and we will soon have Checkpoint Charlie's springing up.
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