Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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The Esk said:
As I said at length yesterday, I have no issue with the public having their say. I have issue with the public being fed information by a small number of unelected media owners which is false and designed only to meet their own very narrow objectives.

The likes of the Barclays, Murdoch and the Rothermeres have waited a long time for such an opportunity. They dominate the media, political opinion and sadly the politicians (with some notable exceptions) themselves.
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The Daily Mail, the express and the S*n were all pro Brexit (I don't know if the Telegraph was or not). ALL other media to my knowledge (including the Mail On Sunday, the Times and virtually all broadcast media) were pro remain as far as I am aware.
 
Armaghtoffee said:
Border crossings are nothing to do with the GFA. As recently as yesterday the EU negotiator on Brexit said he can give no guarantee that there will not be a return to a hard border in Ireland.

Even our historically split voters came together enough to vote Remain. I live on the border, I use both Euro and Sterling daily and I can already see the impact of the Leave vote. Newry and Derry are seeing short term booms due to the favourable exchange but the future is bleak for Ireland post Brexit.

Frustrating that uniquely my country has adopted a majority political view nationwide but that it counts for nothing due to the detached London parliament.
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the border was open when the north and the southern Irish had the punt in the 1920's before the troubles - hence the Eu stating they would stick to the Good friday agreement ok no barriers etc
 
peteblue said:
If the remainers can't even win a non binding vote then there's no way they could ever win one that was binding.....
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I listened to the debate a bit yesterday that Sourby witch - with the facelift happy 70th birthday was spewing it out again - one of the daftest thing I head a Labour MP say was let's postpone article 50 until all the EU up and coming elections are done, and dusted next October - the ignorance of the MP does he not realise it will be the unelected negotiators of the EU who will negotiate, and decide!lol
 
abelard said:
I think stories like this https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-poverty-despite-being-from-working-families provide a much more immediate and persuasive explanation for the discontent. And this is the result of politics driven by ideology and thus, impervious to their consequences.

Germany is just as exposed to globalization, but it has decided not to close libraries, gut health and education, and drive people into poverty. In the UK, people are watching every aspect of their society crumble around them. They are lashing out crudely, as best they can. And their anger is mostly being channeled and exploited to further consolidate the politics that have caused it in the first place.
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You could argue that Germany has been the only EU country to benefit from the EURO!
 
Ruairi77 said:
I don't see how you control immigration without securing ALL your borders. I don't see how you thrive economically in a smaller market. Another Scottish Indy ref will lead to further division, whether it succeeds or fails. I think a lot of people voted to leave as a protest vote. It's a pretty big gamble. It's like going all in before the flop.
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utter rubbish their is no appetite for 5 million people in scotland with the oil prices on the floor to go independant their finances away from the Barnett formula they could not even pay unemployment pay!

Also the export 65% to the UK its hogwash -Look-
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The Esk said:
Alastair Campbell articulated almost exactly my own thoughts posted on here last night

"So never stop fighting for what you believe in. Never stop calling out the lies and the excesses. And never stop reminding David Cameron that his referendum was a very very bad idea, the consequences of which will be with us for a long time, all of which makes me very angry that the ambitions and needs of my children’s generation have been thwarted by the shortsightedness, the fake nostalgia, the loss of historical perspective of our generation, gleefully exploited by the charlatans who led the campaign and the tax-dodging or foreign media barons who so happily and so loudly banged their drums for them."
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I would not like to be associated with him!
 
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