Current Affairs EU In or Out

In or Out

  • In

    Votes: 688 67.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 325 32.1%
  • Total voters
    1,013
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Tubey said:
That's like saying any country with borders that sets its' own laws is racist. Makes no sense.
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If that country applies the same rule to all potential migrants, that's fine. But the UK has one set of rules for the EU countries, and another for everyone else (as do all the EU states).

My racist line was tongue-in-cheek, but there's an element of truth in it.
 
edge said:
don't know about N.Ireland , but the Scottish parliament set up after the Sewel report, states that they are under the jurisdiction of the Uk parliament in regards to , foreign and specifically EU policy and hold no powers in regards to such decisions, there are some instances of them making in roads into this part of policy , but any rulings are purely advisory and non binding on the UK parliament and are not entered into law .
Will not stop them moaning whichever way it goes, as far as I an concerned they can go with the EU if they want,
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Unfortunately it seems that a Brexit will actually reduce the clamour for Scottish Independence. Ruth Davidson is growing into the role up there and is showing up Sturgeon on a regular basis......
 
Bruce Wayne said:
The thing is, if the EU does suffer in the coming years, we will have played a huge role in that, as we will have given wind to the extreme parties that are gaining traction and who want to destroy the EU. That isn't a good thing, so it's not right imo to say we'll be better off from a mess we played a huge part in causing. For the last few decades we've had a level of unity with our European peers that is largely unrivaled in European history and it's a crying shame to be turning our backs on that.
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No, it's a crying shame that some in Europe wish to change a trading bloc, that was working to the benefit of everyone, into a fully formed political union and a USE........
 
JonS said:
Not sure , but even though I voted to leave the EU I have to accept that there haven't been any wars between it's countries while it has existed whereas previously there have been plenty of wars.
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Cheers.

It's just that this particular claim during the campaign was the one that puzzled me most.
 
JonS said:
Not sure , but even though I voted to leave the EU I have to accept that there haven't been any wars between it's countries while it has existed whereas previously there have been plenty of wars.
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Nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the stationing of hundreds of thousands of US and UK troops in Germany for years, then the establishment of NATO. The EU has played no part whatsoever in keeping peace in Europe...
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I've no doubt there is unrest at the moment because of globalisation. The thing is, firstly I think globalisation has been incredibly beneficial for the vast majority of people, especially in a consumer sense, but also the free movement of people has provided jobs and opportunities to study for millions of people throughout Europe. That's a wonderful thing that we should be proud of.

We are however living in a period of huge change at the moment. It's something the WEF call the 4th industrial revolution, and the pace of change is unprecedented. Again though, these changes are broadly speaking enormously beneficial to society, but we do need to do more to help those left behind. I don't dispute that at all.

It's the wrong approach though to blame foreigners for the situation people find themselves in. I guarantee that if we banned all foreign people from the UK tomorrow, those with low skills would still be in a bad position in a decades time. That is the world we live in, and skills and knowledge really are the key here, not banning foreigners or leaving the EU.

None of the populist parties are supporting this kind of upskilling at the moment as it's an easier 'sell' to say that your problems are the fault of foreigners, whether that's migrants 'taking your jobs' or work being outsourced. The reality is the problem is a lack of skills, and people are worshipping false idols I'm afraid. I mean Trump yesterday lauded a huge investment by the Japanese company Softbank in the US. The investment fund he was talking about is a huge investor in robotics, so would be potentially disrupting the labour market significantly.

It's akin to an obese person going to two doctors, one of whom says I'll make you healthy by doing 5 minutes walking a day, whereas the other one says I'll make you healthy but it will take months and a significant change to your diet and lifestyle. I know which one is more likely to help the obese person, but who do you reckon would get more support?
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I think stories like this https://www.theguardian.com/society...n-poverty-despite-being-from-working-families provide a much more immediate and persuasive explanation for the discontent. And this is the result of politics driven by ideology and thus, impervious to their consequences.

Germany is just as exposed to globalization, but it has decided not to close libraries, gut health and education, and drive people into poverty. In the UK, people are watching every aspect of their society crumble around them. They are lashing out crudely, as best they can. And their anger is mostly being channeled and exploited to further consolidate the politics that have caused it in the first place.
 
peteblue said:
Nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the stationing of hundreds of thousands of US and UK troops in Germany for years, then the establishment of NATO. The EU has played no part whatsoever in keeping peace in Europe...
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I still think wars between EU countries are less likely as a result of the EUs existence but I haven't got the same confidence wars outside the EU are less likely because of the EUs existence
 
peteblue said:
Once again, Joey Macmo , cannot see that 0.5 is bigger than 0.4. Just because you have no experience in any of these matters and by the looks of it cannot understand numbers either, you get upset because there are some on here like myself who do have experience. I know it tears you up, which is why you constantly try to demean it, but while I'm sorry that you are upset, I'm afraid you cannot take away experience........
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Yes Pete Europe is taking a battering when it's increasing to 0.4% growth but the U.K. is doing just fine at falling to 0.5% that's right.

You either didn't know the figures or were deibretly misleading people.

Neither paints you in a good light, the fact you resorted to trying to belittle me means I know you have no comeback.
 
The binman chronicles said:
Hopefully that continues and they start to try and use us to help them which will help us at the same time, easy if people can swallow enough pride as no one really benefits from a messy divorce.
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It won't continue mate as it's not even happening now. It's best to look outside when that particular poster tells you it's raining.
 
joey_macmo said:
Yes Pete Europe is taking a battering when it's increasing to 0.4% growth but the U.K. is doing just fine at falling to 0.5% that's right.

You either didn't know the figures or were deibretly misleading people.

Neither paints you in a good light, the fact you resorted to trying to belittle me means I know you have no comeback.
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Quick question. Do the EU numbers you are quoting include the UK ?........how's that for a comeback......
 
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