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Should you be proud to be English?


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My ancestors who for hundreds of years were disenfranchised by sectarian laws which prevented them from voting, holding office or arms, holding property, horses etc. in their own occupied country and were murdered in their millions by English landlords who exported food during a famine i would disagree with any sort of patriotism on the part of you English folk...

But we're sooo over all that now :lol:

1,163,418 left Ireland during the famine between 1851 and 1860.
The Romans took hundreds of years to invent the road, and the Paddy's took 2 minutes to Tarmac over the cobbles. :lol:
 
It's a huge advantage being born English so just take advantage of that while you can.

Any people on here with young nippers, it might not be a bad idea to get some Chinese lessons for them because before long it's going to be the second language of choice the world over.
 
I am proud to be English
I am proud to be British
I am proud to have been born in Liverpool
I am honoured to be an Everton fan and a member of GOT
that just about does it(y)

That says it all to me. Should be proud of your roots whatever they are.

By the way for those of mixed ancestry if you were born here you are English, in Wales =Welsh,etc.

Do not understand why some have voted no?????
 
That says it all to me. Should be proud of your roots whatever they are.

By the way for those of mixed ancestry if you were born here you are English, in Wales =Welsh,etc.

Do not understand why some have voted no?????

Just dont feel English.

Billy Bragg made a pretty good fist of defending Englishness on the Review Show by linking it to class and reclaiming it as a means of confronting the political Right: BBC iPlayer - The Review Show: 12/02/2010

But I honestly dont see why he gets so exercised by it, tbh.
 
What do you feel Dave. I am being sincere here and not fascetious.

I mean I am really proud that I was born in Liverpool and I follow Everton. Which is why I do not have a second team, would not dream of it.

I have not lived in the @pool for some time but my wife says O still have a scouse accent and when I return for a visit it really gets to me.
 
I dont think along nationalist/ethnic lines. I suppose we all have an indentity wider than ourselves and our immediate/extended family. If I was pushed I'd say I'm a Liverpool patriot. But even then I cringe at the 'culture' that passes for our identity these days. But I'm working class and from Liverpool, so that's the answer to your question.
 
One thing I could never stand is hearing the national anthem, and it being sung by (soccer types) at these games and all, you see them with their questionable attire and tattoos and attempting to get it right, but if you want to sing, at least damn well quite the verses right.

Im not stereotyping anyone here, most fans are well behaved but there is a minority that do carry an unwanted reputation overseas.

I always remember being roped in to view a game years back (during Euro 2000) if correct and they were playing Romania and before the game there was the obligatory pissed as flies wailing by a small group of nefarious looking faces which went and this is the honest truth-

God Save the queen
Long live the Queen
send her to Victoria,
Kings Cross and Paddington
God save the Queen.

and that was it, I always remember because I couldn't stop sniggering after that, even more so when the game was over.
 
Don't feel proud because I'm Dutch, nor do I feel myself any less than whatever other nationality in the world. In the end, I didn't choose my country of birth and it also didn't choose me. So why would I feel proud or ashamed of anything I had no choice whatsoever in?

Feel a lot prouder of the second part of my nickname on here, than I ever will about the first part.
 
I'm agreeing with davek far too often for my liking here, but I don't identify myself as being "English" - more as a Blue, a skier, a traveller, whatever is relevant to me. As I said earlier, the vote for "no" wasn't a rejection of all things English, just a rejection of the notion of nationality (or in this case, not even nationality but artificial regionality) defining who I am - and that notion usually being defined and co-opted by people and organisations I despise.

There are things I love which are part of England and things I miss while I am away from it - Everton being a prime example.

(Interesting that Mr Bragg gets two quotes on here...)
 
I used to be fiercely patriotic until I realised this country is run & populated by a huge percentage of utter ******* dickheads. I'm proud to be a scouser but think of some of the other areas in this country, am I proud to be associated with them because I was born & raised on the same island? Am I bollocks
 
I wonder how many, if given the choice, would like to be American.

just a thought, I don't need that option, but there may be some who would fancy being bestowed with such an honor.
 
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