Elstone on Summer transfer/Everton Finance/Ground Move etc TV Debate! etc.

[GrandOldTeam]

You could take that from it, on the other hand he seems well chuffed on what he has brought in and that contradicts his usuall mantra "of the club gives what ever it can" rolled out just a couple of weeks ago.

Am not so sure;

"With the position Everton are in, I think we should be entitled to go out and spend the cash," said Moyes. "We have made a profit in the last couple of years.
"We want a club which keeps aiming to progress, so I'm going to push the board really hard not just to spend the Joleon money but to spend more."
"You can't be at the top of the league and want to be at the top of the league and not invest in the team. The team needs investment"

Then;

"We’ve only spent what we have brought in, we haven’t spent any other cash on top of that"

Its far from ideal. I just wonder how long he can suppress his own ambition.

 

[davek]

You could take that from it, on the other hand he seems well chuffed on what he has brought in and that contradicts his usuall mantra "of the club gives what ever it can" rolled out just a couple of weeks ago. Not to mention "i make the decisons at Everton" i dont think hes as passive when it comes to transfer strategy as we assume, if anything he comes acorss possibly as the most frugal, highly analytical and cost concious of anyone at the club when it comes to transfers. Is hes really dissatisfied or keeping himself marketable reinforceing the streotype the general media has of him of doing wonders on a shoestring. This media manipulation has become more a part of Moyes's style over the pas couple of season - part of me thinks its club politics and part of me thinks hes reinforcing his own profile.

I think the dilema for Moyes is the, Level of funds hes able to work with to improve us Vs The autonomy he gets to run the football club. Thats a big hook for him i think - how long that will placate him - i dont know i have had huge fears for a while that he will move eventaully unless investment is found, ive said that here for quite a while, City are a huge fear for me and a large part of me is hoping Hughes doesnt make a dogs dinner of it at City.

My own opinion is that unlesss investment is found he will go eventually to an offfer to good to refuse. For me that may be at the end of the current cycle of this team - i wouldnt be surprised if Arteta, Yak were to move on soon and Cahill and Yobo etc aint getting any younger.

The club play a dangerous game and is far to dependent on the manager - Moyes adds so much to the turnover over at the club that we are almost utterly dependent on him. If he left the club could simply implode in so many ways. Yet the situation is hard to balance anything on top of what we spent this summer if we did break even was borrowing - not borrowing is good - though i think the lines of credit may be used for the ground.

I think Moyes usually makes the distinction of stating that he has a 'fantastic chairman' and that Kenwright is always looking to try and back him. That's an accusation by omission. I get the impression he's less than impressed with the set up at Everton.

As for the trade off between money and control you identify - what control? I think we saw him wander out of his salary zone this summer and was spectacularly slapped back into line in his declaration he makes the decisions....unless, of course, you're suggesting he was part and parcel of the ongoing negotiations that were never broken off with City regarding Lescott?

 

[Neiler]

Am not so sure;

"With the position Everton are in, I think we should be entitled to go out and spend the cash," said Moyes. "We have made a profit in the last couple of years.
"We want a club which keeps aiming to progress, so I'm going to push the board really hard not just to spend the Joleon money but to spend more."
"You can't be at the top of the league and want to be at the top of the league and not invest in the team. The team needs investment"

Then;

"We’ve only spent what we have brought in, we haven’t spent any other cash on top of that"

Its far from ideal. I just wonder how long he can suppress his own ambition.

I agree mate its far from ideal - but a sense of realism is needed - the money he is talking about is coming from borrowing.

The reality is if he is talking about profit your talking about under one mill, he has a point from a footballing point view - and he is right in trying to get as much cash as he can.

The way the average fan looks at it is that he signed three players Heitinga, Distin and Billy. Maybe thats what hes talking about the first team and that equates in his own words to 19 mill - the Lescott cash.

What he doesnt outline, or anyone else does is that Jo was also added to the squad with a loan fee, wages etc fees where paid for Femi, Garbutt, Mustafi, Coleman and possibly the american kid - they dont come free. Im sure he knows this so the question to me is what is the motivation is his comments, Leverage for Jan, Club Politcs? Reinforcing his own marketability and profile?

Maybe he genuinley is dissastified - but his comments contrast his behaivour and comments from after the FA Cup final of this being the "begining" for Everton rather then the end and he seems more intent then ever of packing the academy with talent and developing players for the future.

In regard to the summer even before the Lescott debacle we were in for players reportedly - Defour, Naughton, Delph - i think they were the A signings by his own admittance those deals didnt work out for a "Vareity of reasons nothing at all to do with Everton" - not forgetting Banega of course. How much of what we spend or not getting deals in place is down to the our negotiateing skills or Moyes insistance on the players he wants debatable. I certainly think he has more then just a passive role in terms of what happens in the transfer market, negotiantions etc.

I know your point is he feels he hasnt been supported he hasnt really said that though has he, we are persumeing that what he meant. He is likely to come out and say "i really appreciate Bill and the board giving me every penny they could in the last window" in the next few weeks.

Like i say not borrowing ( and i expect we did in this window) is not necerrarily a bad thing when you consider possibly the best run club f
rom a buisness of view Utd, in the context of their turnover very much kept there powder dry.

 

[Neiler]

Am not so sure;

"With the position Everton are in, I think we should be entitled to go out and spend the cash," said Moyes. "We have made a profit in the last couple of years.
"We want a club which keeps aiming to progress, so I'm going to push the board really hard not just to spend the Joleon money but to spend more."
"You can't be at the top of the league and want to be at the top of the league and not invest in the team. The team needs investment"

Then;

"We’ve only spent what we have brought in, we haven’t spent any other cash on top of that"

Its far from ideal. I just wonder how long he can suppress his own ambition.

I think Moyes usually makes the distinction of stating that he has a 'fantastic chairman' and that Kenwright is always looking to try and back him. That's an accusation by omission. I get the impression he's less than impressed with the set up at Everton.

Thats very much depends on the individual perception it leaves the reader with, obviously you gleam something more sinister then i do from it?

As for the trade off between money and control you identify - what control? I think we saw him wander out of his salary zone this summer and was spectacularly slapped back into line in his declaration he makes the decisions....unless, of course, you're suggesting he was part and parcel of the ongoing negotiations that were never broken off with City regarding Lescott?

Evidance please?

 

[Clarky66]

Christ almighty, there's a conspiracy at Everton now

 

[ЭВЭРТОН]

WTF ?

Near to Liverpool Airport and major road and rail routes

 

[Umbongo]

Both Bobs and Daveys figures dont stack up really. If i was guessing and lets face it we all are, the truth is prob in between 23-24 million.

I would say Bob is probably taking into account two loan fees for Jo, Davey maybe isnt.

It seems a case of perspective here and I can see where both sides are comming from and why they would look at things differently. Moyes is surely looking at big signings that will strengthen the team right now, not fees and compensation for youngsters. Elstone obviously is looknig at the whole financial picture. I guess that is where I'd want them both to have their minds focused, hopefully there isn't too much tension between them.

For me though the worst part of what Moyes said yesterday was that when all was said and done we only got 19 mill for Lescott. Personally im disgusted with that given the context and disruption the move took place within - should have been more hard cash for me - but then who knows the ins and out of the Jo loan fee etc.

I would doubt the Jo fee had anything to do with it and it's more a case of £22m-£24m stripped of Wolves' fee and any other costs.

 

[Goat]

Let's call a spade a shovel shall we?

Our manager has just called our CEO a liar.

What ever anybody else says, this is all that matters.

 

[chicoazul]

Let's call a spade a shovel shall we?

Our manager has just called our CEO a liar.

ponders how to put positive spin on that*



Azul has left the room carrying a rather large pitchfork.

 

[kenada_blue]

Play or be played KB.

Play the game you mean?

I am the ******* game, palb)

 

[davek]

Let's call a spade a shovel shall we?

Our manager has just called our CEO a liar.

What ever anybody else says, this is all that matters.

ponders how to put positive spin on that*


Azul has left the room carrying a rather large pitchfork.

Moyes has basically said there: "Aye, Sun Tan Bob, dont be doing your Deloitte numbers racket stuff on me and trying to make me look a complete cnut."

Relations are deffo strained there now.

And there was people doubting me when I was onto this feller's underhand tricks a while back.

 

[kenada_blue]

Moyes has basically said there: "Aye, Sun Tan Bob, dont be doing your Deloitte numbers racket stuff on me and trying to make me look a complete cnut."

Relations are deffo strained there now.

And there was people doubting me when I was onto this feller's underhand tricks a while back.

You really want Moyes to walk dont you

 

[davek]

You really want Moyes to walk dont you

No, the opposite is the case. Elstone has undermined the manager here. As The Dude might say: "This will not stand".

 

[chicoazul]

Elstone takes his instruction from somewhere doesn't he, look there.

 

[Goat]

Elstone takes his instruction from somewhere doesn't he, look there.

Who does the buck stop with then chicolerd? Everytime "we" try and finger someone the blame is shifted away.

Elstone made the statement, it was his lie, he must be held accountable for his own lie.