Election called tomorrow

[bluebloodinmyveins]

 

[Mutzo Nutzo]

Goat on his way to collect his Giro

 

[davek]

Dave wake up, no amount of blustering about Cameron will take away the fact that Labour lost and lost badly. It has been their worst performance since Foot got the boot!! Remember that!

No amount of gloss that you come out with will hide the unassailable truth that Labour have done poorly, in fact if it was a Lab/Libdem pact you would be praisiing Clegg.

However all this ignores the patent truth of the deep mess the country is in over it's finances and the debt position has been made a lot worse because of Brown's policy over the years of big spending, big borrowing and create more taxes. I am astonished that many cannot simply see the dreadful position the country is in, which means there will have to be hard decisions made by who ever is in charge. Brown failed in all his time as Chancellor to get to grips with the Tax avoidance, Tax evasion, Benefit fraud which has cost the country dearly. For example tax Credit fraud runs at about 2 billion a year and did you know when it was rushed in by Brown the Computer systems crashed and it all had to be done manually resulting with a few billion being lost and written off.

What is happening in Greece could easily happen here where the public sector are being asked to shoulder the cuts when they were not to blame but the Governmental corruption, the business communities and self employed engaged in tax evasion have been the real cause of their problems.

It's not 'bluster' about Cameron, it's a conclusion many in his own party have reached today in the wake of the result. John Major has today declared the Tories cant say they won the election. Cameron has blown the chance to govern with a strong hand because, basically, he failed with his policies to persuade the vast majority of the electorate, who are still [Poor language removed] scared of a Tory Party with unlimited power, that they wont feather their own nest whilst caning everyone else. I said right at the begining of this thread that the Tories are unelectable. I was right. As for Labour...that was as good as it gets under a leader like Brown who's a dinosaur in the PR dominated politics of today; the fact that the party is in the doldrums after 13 years in power; that the country has just come off a political scandal and is in the teeth of a recession (issues the incumbent party will be blamed for); and that the vast majority of the media were anti-Labour in this campaign. In that context, a mere 91 seat loss is an astounding performance.

As for the economy: yes, it's a mes...a mess that the whole world is in not just the UK. Brown didn't help the situation by giving the banking sector in this country a free pass to do what they wanted and concentrated on growing this sector, so in that sense he should shoulder the responsibility of Britain being particularly poorly positioned when the roof fell in in Autumn 2008. But the money from taxation of that setor was used effectively to deal with areas like the NHS and education. And by the way, if you blame Brown for the economy then blame the Tories also for agreeing with him every step of the way in deregulation. I dont remember them piping up in protest when their friends in the City of London had their snouts in the financial sector's variety of troughs.

By and large, I'd stand behind the Labour years in office. Not revolutionary, but not regressive. They come out of power with the ability to go to the country again as a viable proposition as the party of government in the very near future. Compare that with when the Tories when they were thrown out in 1997 - everyone knew their toxicity would mean they'd be in opposition for a generation.

 

[Matt Damon]

It's not 'bluster' about Cameron, it's a conclusion many in his own party have reached today in the wake of the result. John Major has today declared the Tories cant say they won the election. Cameron has blown the chance to govern with a strong hand because, basically, he failed with his policies to persuade the vast majority of the electorate, who are still [Poor language removed] scared of a Tory Party with unlimited power, that they wont feather their own nest whilst caning everyone else. I said right at the begining of this thread that the Tories are unelectable. I was right. As for Labour...that was as good as it gets under a leader like Brown who's a dinosaur in the PR dominated politics of today; the fact that the party is in the doldrums after 13 years in power; that the country has just come off a political scandal and is in the teeth of a recession (issues the incumbent party will be blamed for); and that the vast majority of the media were anti-Labour in this campaign. In that context, a mere 91 seat loss is an astounding performance.

As for the economy: yes, it's a mes...a mess that the whole world is in not just the UK. Brown didn't help the situation by giving the banking sector in this country a free pass to do what they wanted and concentrated on growing this sector, so in that sense he should shoulder the responsibility of Britain being particularly poorly positioned when the roof fell in in Autumn 2008. But the money from taxation of that setor was used effectively to deal with areas like the NHS and education. And by the way, if you blame Brown for the economy then blame the Tories also for agreeing with him every step of the way in deregulation. I dont remember them piping up in protest when their friends in the City of London had their snouts in the financial sector's variety of troughs.

By and large, I'd stand behind the Labour years in office. Not revolutionary, but not regressive. They come out of power with the ability to go to the country again as a viable proposition as the party of government in the very near future. Compare that with when the Tories when they were thrown out in 1997 - everyone knew their toxicity would mean they'd be in opposition for a generation.

Nice to see the copy and paste functions working there. This gave it away:

"s for the economy: yes, it's a mes...a mess that the whole world is in not just the UK."



And your opinions are a joke as per Davek.

After 13 years of Labour attempts of packing the country with immigrants to gerrymander the election, them now after 13 years talking about PR... shows they're all over the shop.

The Labour project is over. They've WRECKED the economy - again.

You claim they dealt with the public sector - they did woefully and turned the NHS into a health-tourist utopia with incredible waste.

No wonder the public finances are a complete work of Labour Fiction. Brown was borrowing even when tax revenues were high. Now he's just borrowing even more.

The market's have spoken. NO ONE THERE HAS ANY FAITH IN LABOUR.

THE EVIDENCE IS HERE (below) with the fear they'll be in for another five years with no near term meaningful deficit reduction by Labour (they're incapable, but they're also unelected by the majority of this country too now!!! 70% of people didn't vote for them!).



The graph shows gilt yields. Higher is bad - because it reflects the market's perception that lending to Alistair Darling is more risky.

DAVEK you keep copying and pasting from your left-wing rags and passing it off for your own.

LABOUR ARE FINISHED.

They and their champagne socialism have shown how economically incapable they are.

The only thing they are good at is distorting the truth and hiding what they've done.

I CANNOT WAIT FOR THE NEXT COMPREHENSIVE SPENDING REVIEW.

Lets see what you say to the results of "your politics" then.

Labour bluster is finished. Javis and many others on here have seen this. YOU Davek just can't accept the facts.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

In all seriousness, tone it down.

Bitter, petty squabbles continuing from threads like this are why we banned political threads. Present your opinion, don't insult others for theirs.

73pages in and you just noticed ?

Dave dont take this the wrong way but you might be the most Biased person I've ever had the pleasure to chat with on the net..

use the search facility and type 'kirkby'.

so I've missed it al since dinnertime, have we told the posh kids to fukc off yet ?

 

[Matt Damon]

Gold is always viewed as "safe" in turbulent times in currency markets.

It's like playing "tick" or bulldogs and having a safe area everyone runs to.

Commodities.



Gordon Brown sold 55% of the UK's gold reserves (after advertising the fact two months before, so short-sellers got in on the act and price was rock bottom) has cost UK taxpayers almost £7 billion !!!!!!!!!!!

Between 1999 and 2002, Mr Brown ordered the sale of almost 400 tons of the gold reserves when the price was at a 20-year low

He ignored warnings from Goldman-Sachs on this too.

* OH and expect fireworks to come on this yet!!!

The Treasury has been officially censured by the Information Commissioner over its attempts to block the release of information about the gold sales.

Following a series of freedom of information requests from The Daily Telegraph over the past four years, the Information Commissioner has ordered the Treasury to release some details. The Treasury must publish the information demanded within 35 calendar days by the end of April 2010.

Ed Balls, who was the Schools Secretary, Ed Miliband, was the Climate Change Secretary, and Baroness Vadera, another former minister, were all close aides to the chancellor during the relevant period.

*The price of gold has quadrupled since Gordon Brown sold more than half of Britains reserves.
*The Treasury pre-announced its plans to sell 395 tons of the 715 tons held by the Bank of England, which caused prices to fall.
*The bullion was sold in 17 auctions between 1999 and 2002, with dealers paying between $256 and $296 an ounce. Since then, the price has increased rapidly. 23/03/2010, it stood at $1,100 an ounce.
*The taxpayer lost an estimated £7 billion, twice the amount lost when Britain left the Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992.
*The proceeds from the sales were invested in dollars, euros and yen. In recent years, most other countries have begun buying gold again in large quantities.


MORE LABOUR ECONOMIC INCOMPETENCE - and - HIDING OF THE TRUTH FROM THE ELECTORATE.

 

[Reidy's Bottle Of Grecian]

pasting it in 2 threads will not increase credibility.

 

[linglong]

So hung parliement..oh deary me not good after all that TV time is it?

Terrible night for labour truely awful but it could have been so much worse

The Tories must be wondering what went wrong despite being the biggtest party if the polls where to be believed they should have won by a hatfull but they didnt,not by a long shot and that must be a worry when we hit the polls again soon (and it will be sooner rather than later thats for sure)

Libdems..honestly they performed about where =i thought they'd be but they are the king makers so umm but Clegg is weakened by last ni9ght in his own party i feel.

So the talks are on and who knows what will happen but for sure i feel we'll be going back to the polls within a year,if not sooner all 3 partys are so far apart even on a personel level theres no way a coalition would work for very long

 

[Matt Damon]

pasting it in 2 threads will not increase credibility.

Given the Information Commissioner had to censure the Treasury to get Labour to release the info........ and they will in the next 35 days or be in contempt of court!

And Davek as in denial lets get the info out there!!!!!!!


Gordon Brown sold 55% of the UK's gold reserves (after advertising the fact two months before, so short-sellers got in on the act and price was rock bottom) has cost UK taxpayers almost £7 billion !!!!!!!!!!!

*The price of gold has quadrupled since Gordon Brown sold more than half of Britains reserves.
*The Treasury pre-announced its plans to sell 395 tons of the 715 tons held by the Bank of England, which caused prices to fall.
*The bullion was sold in 17 auctions between 1999 and 2002, with dealers paying between $256 and $296 an ounce. Since then, the price has increased rapidly. 23/03/2010, it stood at $1,100 an ounce.
*The taxpayer lost an estimated £7 billion, twice the amount lost when Britain left the Exchange Rate Mechanism in 1992.
*The proceeds from the sales were invested in dollars, euros and yen. In recent years, most other countries have begun buying gold again in large quantities

 

[davek]

So hung parliement..oh deary me not good after all that TV time is it?

Terrible night for labour truely awful but it could have been so much worse

The Tories must be wondering what went wrong despite being the biggtest party if the polls where to be believed they should have won by a hatfull but they didnt,not by a long shot and that must be a worry when we hit the polls again soon (and it will be sooner rather than later thats for sure)

Libdems..honestly they performed about where =i thought they'd be but they are the king makers so umm but Clegg is weakened by last ni9ght in his own party i feel.

So the talks are on and who knows what will happen but for sure i feel we'll be going back to the polls within a year,if not sooner all 3 partys are so far apart even on a personel level theres no way a coalition would work for very long

For that reason - and in a partisan capacity - I'd be happy if this coalition of convenience between LD and Tories came off. You just know the Lib Dem MPs will buckle under the pressure of their own rank and file and bring down the coalition at the first sign of social unrest. By the time a new election was called the Lib Dems would be tainted by association with the Tories and the whole of the centre left electorate would be Labour's to take.

Alternatively, if the Lib Dems walk away from Cameron the political situation is dire for the Tories. They'd be defeated on major issues like public spending cuts very quickly and have to go back to the electorate for a mandate again. They'd be punished for doing it. The country wants consensus and will wonder why the politicians haven't formed a coalition of sorts to crack on.

It really is a mess for the Tories. They're far more wounded in "victory" than Labour are in defeat.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

You still do not get it Dave. The next administration will inherit a poisoned chalice. If it is the Conservatives they will be damned for the actions they take to address the debt and damned for failing to reduce the debt. A no win situation! So maybe there will be another election and as you hope Labour will pick up Libdem votes and win, to gove them a chance of making a bigger mess. Remember Brown's words, we will spend to get out of the recession, but what with. The idiot would have had to borrow more and thus increase the debt.

History has shown each time Labour have been in power they have have brought the Country to it's knees with their spending, borrowing and taxation.

By the way Matt, it is Jarvis not Javis, cheers M8.

 

[chicoazul]

I just want to point out that the Tories are bad snidey weapons that raped the working class once, and shouldn't be allowed to happen again.

If you vote for them then you either have a short memory or are influenced by The Sun you bad gullible teds.

In short: reject fruit on pizza or perish you massive weapons.

 

[McBain]

Right, so who won?

 

[davek]

I see the number of Old Etonians elected to parliament increased with the Tory increase in seats: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/07/election-commons-diversity-equality

"The first analysis of Westminster's class of 2010 suggests that in the three main parties, more MPs than at the last general election went to public school. The swing towards the Conservatives, 43% of whose candidates were educated privately, has made that trend more pronounced, according to analysts at the Sutton Trust, which campaigns for improved social mobility, and the Madano Partnership, a public affairs consultancy.For the Conservatives, 17 former pupils of Eton will take seats in the new parliament, up from 14 in 2001. "The class of 1997 was very much grammar-school educated, but it seems there has been a shift in 2010 to independent schools," said Tim Carr, partner at Madano."


Class and priviledge isn't important these days though. Isn't that right, Bruce?

 

[davek]

You still do not get it Dave. The next administration will inherit a poisoned chalice. If it is the Conservatives they will be damned for the actions they take to address the debt and damned for failing to reduce the debt. A no win situation! So maybe there will be another election and as you hope Labour will pick up Libdem votes and win, to gove them a chance of making a bigger mess. Remember Brown's words, we will spend to get out of the recession, but what with. The idiot would have had to borrow more and thus increase the debt.

History has shown each time Labour have been in power they have have brought the Country to it's knees with their spending, borrowing and taxation.

By the way Matt, it is Jarvis not Javis, cheers M8.

You have a short memory. When Labour took office in 1997 it took over from a Tory government that had overseen such calamities as Black Wednesday and the recession of the early 1990s.

This constant attack on Labour without context just wont do I'm afraid.