Election called tomorrow

[Bruce Wayne]

I see the number of Old Etonians elected to parliament increased with the Tory increase in seats: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/07/election-commons-diversity-equality

"The first analysis of Westminster's class of 2010 suggests that in the three main parties, more MPs than at the last general election went to public school. The swing towards the Conservatives, 43% of whose candidates were educated privately, has made that trend more pronounced, according to analysts at the Sutton Trust, which campaigns for improved social mobility, and the Madano Partnership, a public affairs consultancy.For the Conservatives, 17 former pupils of Eton will take seats in the new parliament, up from 14 in 2001. "The class of 1997 was very much grammar-school educated, but it seems there has been a shift in 2010 to independent schools," said Tim Carr, partner at Madano."


Class and priviledge isn't important these days though. Isn't that right, Bruce?

Hey, you're the one that wants to concentrate power in the hands of a few politicians, not me. I've said many, many times that I want a much smaller role for the state, then you don't get circumstances like that happening. You simply don't get an analysis of where, for instance, the board of Microsoft were educated. Are they more socialist than Apple for instance? Who cares? You buy the computer you want and be done with it. Democracy in action.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

But when it took over in 1997, it inherited a very strong economy as a rsult of the strong measures takedn earlier. In 1997 the fact is myself included felt that it was time for a change, the Tories were tired and out of ideas. Tony Blair et al were given an excellent opportunity to really put the country on an even better footing for the future, they failed amid their old dogma rising once more.

Black Wedneday as you put it was a concerted attack on the finances of this country by speculators looking to make a quick profit like George Soros. If you took the time to read a greater variety of newspapers you would read that the problems in Greece also partially results from money grabbing speculators and hedge fund operators. In fact I think their activities should be controlled but this is quite impossible without international cooperation.

Yourself and Chico label me quite incorrectly, my main concern is for the ordinary folk of this country and the world just trying to make a decent life for themselves and I look to whoever will address that. Labour failed, the ordinary folk under him suffered from his failure to address the tax situation.

 

[Neiler]

Great thing about this is Warren Bradly is out of here!

So long Warren and thanks for all the fish!

 

[Matt Damon]

You still do not get it Dave. The next administration will inherit a poisoned chalice. If it is the Conservatives they will be damned for the actions they take to address the debt and damned for failing to reduce the debt. A no win situation! So maybe there will be another election and as you hope Labour will pick up Libdem votes and win, to gove them a chance of making a bigger mess. Remember Brown's words, we will spend to get out of the recession, but what with. The idiot would have had to borrow more and thus increase the debt.

History has shown each time Labour have been in power they have have brought the Country to it's knees with their spending, borrowing and taxation.

By the way Matt, it is Jarvis not Javis, cheers M8.

Sorry Jarvis. Silly typo. Just glad to see others like yourself and others who are cutting through the bad delusions of DAVEK.

He's off his head he really is.

Oh and Chico - the Sun is a god damn awful rag. Don't buy or read it.

However, I'm knowledgeable to know LABOUR are liars. Gordon Brown is a disaster for the UK.

And the spin being put on by Labour trying to say that the country didn't vote out Labour is a joke. Tories had 2 million more votes than Labour.


How Brown has the cheek to still be in Downing Street is a measure of the detestable individual he is.


DAVEK hasn't addressed the economic instability being caused by Labour both right now and due to their policy. Or the selling of the Gold by Gordon Brown costing us £7billion.

BROWN OUT NOW !!!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

But when it took over in 1997, it inherited a very strong economy as a rsult of the strong measures takedn earlier. In 1997 the fact is myself included felt that it was time for a change, the Tories were tired and out of ideas. Tony Blair et al were given an excellent opportunity to really put the country on an even better footing for the future, they failed amid their old dogma rising once more.

Black Wedneday as you put it was a concerted attack on the finances of this country by speculators looking to make a quick profit like George Soros. If you took the time to read a greater variety of newspapers you would read that the problems in Greece also partially results from money grabbing speculators and hedge fund operators. In fact I think their activities should be controlled but this is quite impossible without international cooperation.

Yourself and Chico label me quite incorrectly, my main concern is for the ordinary folk of this country and the world just trying to make a decent life for themselves and I look to whoever will address that. Labour failed, the ordinary folk under him suffered from his failure to address the tax situation.

It has to be remembered also that the noughties were a pretty benign decade economically for much of the world. The Internet boom helped to create increased productivity around the world (not to mention the nice windfall received by the 3G licenses). The rise of China and other countries helped to keep inflation very low, and of course the rapid availability of cheap credit helped to fuel a spending boom by the government and the population as a whole.

The government had nothing to do with any of those, yet they benefited substantially from the environment it created. Much as I dare say any party would feel the heat from the current climate, I dare say any party could have risen that gentle wave successfully as well.

 

[Matt Damon]

It has to be remembered also that the noughties were a pretty benign decade economically for much of the world. The Internet boom helped to create increased productivity around the world (not to mention the nice windfall received by the 3G licenses). The rise of China and other countries helped to keep inflation very low, and of course the rapid availability of cheap credit helped to fuel a spending boom by the government and the population as a whole.

The government had nothing to do with any of those, yet they benefited substantially from the environment it created. Much as I dare say any party would feel the heat from the current climate, I dare say any party could have risen that gentle wave successfully as well.

You're right - but much of the actual monies that did come in was hugely wasted by Labour.

But it turns out most of the "wealth" creation was nothing more than an illusion.

Labour in 13 years did nothing to systematically insulate us from the issues today. If anything - the waste and excessive borrowing (Gordon lied about in his work-of-fiction budgets) pre-2008 .... put us in a difficult position then...

With the bank crisis on top of Labour's excessive borrowing - ITS A DISASTER. £28000 per person every man woman and child in the UK. It's going to take 30 years to pay off and will cost us far in excess.

Then we get over the lack of (deliberate policy of open borders) immigration controls by labour.

They redacted official assessments on the impact of migration - officially. Removing key points and emphasising positives.

* A former Labour government advisor - whistleblew on this thing going on - and handed over the redacted report to the Press in late 2009.

LIES LIES AND MORE LIES FROM LABOUR.


How does it help the UK economy to allow someone from abroad doing <20k job who then brings their entire family (multiple kids) which through all the benefits/public services they get/use costs hundreds of thousands of pounds worth???????

When there are already "working class" who need those services here. Indigenous people.

This is the IDIOTIC ideology of these Labour clowns. They're so blinded by their left-wing agenda ... they can't see much of that is behind the 8% swing to the Tories!!!!!!!!!

Genies out of the bottle now though.

But if you say anything to Brown or Labour - you're a BIGOT !

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Wastage in government is inevitable. Can't really say it better than Milton Friedman.

[video=youtube;-MQp-5lZToE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MQp-5lZToE[/video]

 

[Matt Damon]

Wastage in government is inevitable. Can't really say it better than Milton Friedman.

[video=youtube;-MQp-5lZToE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MQp-5lZToE[/video]

Yes but Bruce.

That doesn't excuse the idiotic behaviour of Labour.

Where waste - doesn't seem to matter to them.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Great thing about this is Warren Bradly is out of here!

So long Warren and thanks for all the fish!

I did not know that, has he been voted out. All those Everton fans that he upset!!

 

[davek]

Hey, you're the one that wants to concentrate power in the hands of a few politicians, not me.

The point being that, as per the Electoral Reform Society position, a parlaiment running the country should reflect the country itself. It doesn't because class and priviledge stands in its way. You doubt the continued influence of class in our society...I just gave you a salient example.

I've said many, many times that I want a much smaller role for the state, then you don't get circumstances like that happening. You simply don't get an analysis of where, for instance, the board of Microsoft were educated. Are they more socialist than Apple for instance? Who cares? You buy the computer you want and be done with it. Democracy in action.

No, it's just called 'buying a computer'. I think people also do that in China and North Korea.

 

[Jamo Martinez]

Vote beaver. They'll rebuild the dam economy

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Dave, you are so concerned about class. It is opinions like yours that keep nurturing this stupid concept. There are now more very rich people out there who came up from humble origins than ever before so how would you class them, the noveau rich. Did you not have the same opprtunity when you were young?

If you had and were succesful, I wonder if you would still have the same views.

 

[davek]

It has to be remembered also that the noughties were a pretty benign decade economically for much of the world. The Internet boom helped to create increased productivity around the world (not to mention the nice windfall received by the 3G licenses). The rise of China and other countries helped to keep inflation very low, and of course the rapid availability of cheap credit helped to fuel a spending boom by the government and the population as a whole.

The government had nothing to do with any of those, yet they benefited substantially from the environment it created. Much as I dare say any party would feel the heat from the current climate, I dare say any party could have risen that gentle wave successfully as well.

Balls and Brown handed the decision making over interest rates to the Bank of England; Brown allowed the City of London to do its stuff in a climate of light touch regulation. None of those things were very wise long term, but they effectively allowed a long decade when (as you would remind us all) government coffers were swollen by taxing the British financial sectors pre-eminince in trading.

You cant have your cake and eat it...you cant say the Government was a spectator when it carried out a policy to unfetter the market in that way in order that it funded the New Labour project. That's just being churlish.

 

[davek]

Dave, you are so concerned about class. It is opinions like yours that keep nurturing this stupid concept. There are now more very rich people out there who came up from humble origins than ever before so how would you class them, the noveau rich. Did you not have the same opprtunity when you were young?

If you had and were succesful, I wonder if you would still have the same views.

Such people are an exception to the rule...that's hwhy you can point to them. There are structural barriers to social mobility that keep classes a permanent fixture for the vast majority of the population.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Yes but Bruce.

That doesn't excuse the idiotic behaviour of Labour.

Where waste - doesn't seem to matter to them.

Of course, but it would be the same whichever party is in power, for the reasons mentioned in the video. Waste is an inevitable part of government, hence why it should be as small a part of society as possible. Monopolies aren't good whether they're public or private sector.

The point being that, as per the Electoral Reform Society position, a parlaiment running the country should reflect the country itself. It doesn't because class and priviledge stands in its way. You doubt the continued influence of class in our society...I just gave you a salient example.



No, it's just called 'buying a computer'. I think people also do that in China and North Korea.

I think politics has long since ceased to reflect the society it governs, if it ever has. That's half the problem. It shouldn't matter the makeup of a service provider, all that should matter is the service that is delivered. This obsession with personality exists in politics because that is pretty much all we have to discuss as we can't choose our service provider. This is why I gave the example of buying a computer. Democracy for me isn't about casting a vote to give someone the right to govern me. It's about having a choice, and the most democratic societies are those that give citizens the most choice. I get to choose (vote with my wallet you could say) each time I buy something. I don't need to wait four/five years to do so, I don't need to know the educational background of those delivering the service. It's a simple case of deciding whether supplier A can provide what I want to the required quality and price, and if not can supplier B/C/D/... do any better. Simple as that.

Balls and Brown handed the decision making over interest rates to the Bank of England; Brown allowed the City of London to do its stuff in a climate of light touch regulation. None of those things were very wise long term, but they effectively allowed a long decade when (as you would remind us all) government coffers were swollen by taxing the British financial sectors pre-eminince in trading.

You cant have your cake and eat it...you cant say the Government was a spectator when it carried out a policy to unfetter the market in that way in order that it funded the New Labour project. That's just being churlish.

I agree, the decision to let the BoE decide interest rates was a good one, one of the few that Brown made. The mistake Brown made wasn't to apply a light touch to the finance sector, it was to bail it out after it had messed up. The whole point of a market is that the good companies thrive, the bad ones fail. If you're creating an environment where failure doesn't happen then it invalidates the whole process. Lets face it, the sector is still paying out bonuses, it's still being tight with lending to businesses. What exactly has bailing out the sector done except load a huge amount of debt onto the treasury? If you're going to stop companies going under you stop the creative destruction that is so vital to an economy.

I mean just look at the make up of the FTSE 100 now compared to 50 years ago. It is vastly different and very few companies manage to survive at the top for that long. It's a natural process and saying firms are 'too big to fail' is hugely damaging. No company should ever be too big to fail.