Election called tomorrow

[little curly alan ball]

Sorry Jarvis. Silly typo. Just glad to see others like yourself and others who are cutting through the bad delusions of DAVEK.

He's off his head he really is.

Oh and Chico - the Sun is a god damn awful rag. Don't buy or read it.

However, I'm knowledgeable to know LABOUR are liars. Gordon Brown is a disaster for the UK.

And the spin being put on by Labour trying to say that the country didn't vote out Labour is a joke. Tories had 2 million more votes than Labour.


How Brown has the cheek to still be in Downing Street is a measure of the detestable individual he is.


DAVEK hasn't addressed the economic instability being caused by Labour both right now and due to their policy. Or the selling of the Gold by Gordon Brown costing us £7billion.

BROWN OUT NOW !!!

Kid , this is THE SAME Tory Party , same arl faces , Clarke will be in Cabinet by Easter , whom led us into BLACK TUESDAY , had the most sustained period of growth since Industrialisation , saw the dawn of the Internet , the Big Bang , THEY sold off much of the Nation's Reserves - Oil / Gas , Sold off ALL the Utilities , and countless other fuk up's , - like disenfranchising more than half the fukn Nation , ...
AND STILL left the Country on it's fukn knees .
An' their come - on line is , We Are the Businessmen !!!
Greedy , no morals mufukas .
Check the Banks / Financial Houses , bonus systems this year , my medical - minded mucka .
I honest to God , thought you were on a piss - take .
Obviously , however , you are smoking Green .
Lots of it .

Oh , an' Cameron was a Senior adviser to Mr. Grey himself . Edwina's own Mr. Lovva - Man , Major .

Pl-lease !!!

 

[Bruce Wayne]

So we should love Labour because the Tories made mistakes as well? And we give these people so much power. Merde.

 

[neonleon]

almost 7% on here (as it stands) support the BNP.

jesus.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Such people are an exception to the rule...that's hwhy you can point to them. There are structural barriers to social mobility that keep classes a permanent fixture for the vast majority of the population.

Dave you are a prisioner of your socialist dogma.

 

[Robert Jarvis]

Of course, but it would be the same whichever party is in power, for the reasons mentioned in the video. Waste is an inevitable part of government, hence why it should be as small a part of society as possible. Monopolies aren't good whether they're public or private sector.



I think politics has long since ceased to reflect the society it governs, if it ever has. That's half the problem. It shouldn't matter the makeup of a service provider, all that should matter is the service that is delivered. This obsession with personality exists in politics because that is pretty much all we have to discuss as we can't choose our service provider. This is why I gave the example of buying a computer. Democracy for me isn't about casting a vote to give someone the right to govern me. It's about having a choice, and the most democratic societies are those that give citizens the most choice. I get to choose (vote with my wallet you could say) each time I buy something. I don't need to wait four/five years to do so, I don't need to know the educational background of those delivering the service. It's a simple case of deciding whether supplier A can provide what I want to the required quality and price, and if not can supplier B/C/D/... do any better. Simple as that.



I agree, the decision to let the BoE decide interest rates was a good one, one of the few that Brown made. The mistake Brown made wasn't to apply a light touch to the finance sector, it was to bail it out after it had messed up. The whole point of a market is that the good companies thrive, the bad ones fail. If you're creating an environment where failure doesn't happen then it invalidates the whole process. Lets face it, the sector is still paying out bonuses, it's still being tight with lending to businesses. What exactly has bailing out the sector done except load a huge amount of debt onto the treasury? If you're going to stop companies going under you stop the creative destruction that is so vital to an economy.

I mean just look at the make up of the FTSE 100 now compared to 50 years ago. It is vastly different and very few companies manage to survive at the top for that long. It's a natural process and saying firms are 'too big to fail' is hugely damaging. No company should ever be too big to fail.

The cost of the BOE overseeing interst rates was to surrender it's other duties of keeping an eye on banks, lending etc which was given to the FSA by Brown. The FSA are guilty of massive failure in their duty. They failed to examine accounting records properly and missed what was about to happen at Northern Rock which sparked off the crisis here. Brown has always disliked the BOE partly because of their criticism of the gold sales.

 

[Matt Damon]

The cost of the BOE overseeing interst rates was to surrender it's other duties of keeping an eye on banks, lending etc which was given to the FSA by Brown. The FSA are guilty of massive failure in their duty. They failed to examine accounting records properly and missed what was about to happen at Northern Rock which sparked off the crisis here. Brown has always disliked the BOE partly because of their criticism of the gold sales.

THIS IN A NUTSHELL.

Jarvis. You tell them lad.

Labour working in the national interest? Are they f*cking joking?????

The Gold sales - documents to be released in the next 4 weeks by COURT ORDER, showing what BROWN did to lose the UK tax payer £7 BILLION.

 

[davek]

I agree, the decision to let the BoE decide interest rates was a good one, one of the few that Brown made. The mistake Brown made wasn't to apply a light touch to the finance sector, it was to bail it out after it had messed up. The whole point of a market is that the good companies thrive, the bad ones fail. If you're creating an environment where failure doesn't happen then it invalidates the whole process. Lets face it, the sector is still paying out bonuses, it's still being tight with lending to businesses. What exactly has bailing out the sector done except load a huge amount of debt onto the treasury? If you're going to stop companies going under you stop the creative destruction that is so vital to an economy.

I mean just look at the make up of the FTSE 100 now compared to 50 years ago. It is vastly different and very few companies manage to survive at the top for that long. It's a natural process and saying firms are 'too big to fail' is hugely damaging. No company should ever be too big to fail.

Hold on, there's real consequences to that type of (in)action. Imagine the bail out didn't happen; what would have happened to the savings/pensions of millions of people? They'd have been in peril. What would have happened to the functioning of the rest of the economy? You see, if the state hadn't stepped in concrete 'small success' stories of people who rely on banks and financial services would have been obliterated. It's an indulgent abstraction to talk in terms of 'letting failures go the wall'. Brown acted and prevented a meltdown. The Tories, frozen with fear and confusion, didn't have a clue what to do when the [Poor language removed] hit the fan in 2008.

 

[Seamus Colemole]

By the way Matt, it is Jarvis not Javis, cheers M8.

When i was at school we had a teacher called Mr Jarvis.

One day someone spray painted "Javis is a cnut" on his car.

Not saying you are though of course, just thought i'd add a light anecdote among the petty childish squabling.

 

[Matt Damon]

Hold on, there's real consequences to that type of (in)action. Imagine the bail out didn't happen; what would have happened to the savings/pensions of millions of people? They'd have been in peril. What would have happened to the functioning of the rest of the economy? You see, if the state hadn't stepped in concrete 'small success' stories of people who rely on banks and financial services would have been obliterated. It's an indulgent abstraction to talk in terms of 'letting failures go the wall'. Brown acted and prevented a meltdown. The Tories, frozen with fear and confusion, didn't have a clue what to do when the [Poor language removed] hit the fan in 2008.

DAVEK again pushing the boundaries of truth there and then some!

To say the least.

I would believe that if they were in at the time (which they weren't) then:

a. the FSA wouldn't have been able to make such a f-up that they did thanks to Brown and Balls........ ineptitude personified.

And b. the bailout would have been more along the lines of the American model rather than Brown's version which wasted billions particularly in the case of RBS

OH AND DAVEK, THE TORIES SUPPORTED THE BAILOUT. WHAT THEY DISAGREED WITH WAS THE STRUCTURE AND TERMS OF THE BAILOUT.

 

[davek]

DAVEK again pushing the boundaries of truth there and then some!

To say the least.

I would believe that if they were in at the time (which they weren't) then:

a. the FSA wouldn't have been able to make such a f-up that they did thanks to Brown and Balls........ ineptitude personified.

And b. the bailout would have been more along the lines of the American model rather than Brown's version which wasted billions particularly in the case of RBS

OH AND DAVEK, THE TORIES SUPPORTED THE BAILOUT. WHAT THEY DISAGREED WITH WAS THE STRUCTURE AND TERMS OF THE BAILOUT.

You're completely out of your depth here. You're inablity to comprehend the broad flow of debate, to stop obsessing with the minutiae of it, and to combine all that with ridiculous personal attacks marks you out as...well...I think others posting know what I mean.

Maybe you should log in again under your former username: 'Moyes_Bringin_It_Back' ? You were marginally more impressive under that persona...marginally.

:blink:

 

[Goat]

A delusion, in everyday language, is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. Psychiatry defines the term more specifically as a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process). As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, "incorrect" dogma, stupidity, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception.

Its not his fault, its an illness.

 

[Matt Damon]

You're completely out of your depth here. You're inablity to comprehend the broad flow of debate, to stop obsessing with the minutiae of it, and to combine all that with ridiculous personal attacks marks you out as...well...I think others posting know what I mean.

DAVEK.

If I am out of my depth - why do I know that Darling/Brown had to bail out the Banks - TWICE?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...2926/Second-bank-bailout-plans-condemned.html

If they'd have gotten it right the first time it would have not cost us what it has...... and we wouldn't have wasted all that money.

It should have been closer to the American model.

They've already started selling back shares in the banks - at profit.

But of cause - you've fallen into the "LABOUR CAN DO NO WRONG" ideology haven't you?

 

[davek]

A delusion, in everyday language, is a fixed belief that is either false, fanciful, or derived from deception. Psychiatry defines the term more specifically as a belief that is pathological (the result of an illness or illness process). As a pathology, it is distinct from a belief based on false or incomplete information, "incorrect" dogma, stupidity, apperception, illusion, or other effects of perception.

Its not his fault, its an illness.

He'll be onto you now. You'll get 300 words scolding you about that definition and calling you a Trotskyist.

 

[Goat]

He can try, im off out.

 

[Matt Damon]

He'll be onto you now. You'll get 300 words scolding you about that definition and calling you a Trotskyist.

I think he was referring to you and your pathological slavish following of your joke of a political party.

They've created these delusions you are believing. Proof that Labour are bad for your health.