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Even though the American economy is basically built on immigration.
But Bannon and that little weasel Miller want to burn it down because they don’t like people with brown skin.
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But Bannon and that little weasel Miller want to burn it down because they don’t like people with brown skin.
Oh, by all means, tell me how the threat of Presidential veto equates to sovereign power.
Of course not. And guess what happened? Nothing, nothing happened.
Democrats apparently desire to do the same.
Apparently something the American people also favor.
What deals did Republicans offer during the ACA healthcare debate that were comparable to what has been offered by Democrats during this immigration debate?
Data source you are using to state that?
Iirc Americans favour pulling out of Afghanistan and Trump even campaigned on it yet that doesn't seem to be happening so we don't always get what we want which is ironically the music that Trump plays at his rallies
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ACA: What deals were possible? The GOP didn't favor government-controlled healthcare and still doesn't. I don't expect the opposing party to meet me half way in my attempt to undermine a fundamental position they hold. Not surprisingly, the ACA was passed anyway, as the left surely wasn't going to break with their objective to change the foundation of the ACA.
Data: Here is an NPR summary of several polls tracking that shift https://www.npr.org/2018/01/23/580037717/what-the-latest-immigration-polls-do-and-dont-say
And we certainly don't always get what we want. I just find that people will use polls to bolster their position (DACA) but tend to ignore them when they don't favor their goal.
Remember when Mitch McConnell said his #1 priority was to make Obama a one term president?
Or how about when John Boehner said about Obama's agenda, "We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”
Blocking Obama's SC appointment as well...and then changing the rules to get their guy appointed.
And these mofo's suddenly want democrats to cooperate with their highly partisan agenda? Where they use human beings as a pawn to force feed America something the majority of the country don't want (or frankly need).
Do you think VA hospitals should be privatized?
Sorry I got that from the Michael Medved show the day it was all going down (conservative talk radio). That figure was the annual cost to build the wall initially so I don't think he was making a leap. The $18 bil over 10 years ($1.8 per year) came out after iirc.
The $1.6 billion was for the wall and an additional $1.2 bil was for other border security stuff. This was the bipartisan plan.
Personally I felt ACA was the halfway position, its basis was from the Heritage foundation iirc and it looked pretty similar to what Mitt Romney, 2012 Republican candidate, had implemented when he was govenor of Massachusetts.
If you don't expect the opposing party to meet you halfway on a fundamental postion they hold why did you say "you can dimish his objectives all you want, but it doesn't change the reality that they'll have to be addressed. And they should be, he's the POTUS." I may be misunderstanding but those two statements seem to contradict each other.
From that article
For decades, Gallup has asked Americans if they think the level of legal immigration should be "kept at its present level, increased, or decreased." In recent years, Americans have been closely split between holding steady (38 percent as of June 2017) and decreasing (35 percent). The remainder, around 1 in 4, want to increase legal immigration.
Dry January is over and I've had a glass of wine but if you add the holding steady on immigration levels (38%) to those that would like to increase (24%) doesn't that substantially outweigh those that want to decrease (35%)?
And people selectively quoting data when it supports your position and ignoring them when it doesn't is a bipartisan tradition, posibly one of the few things we still have in common!
I think the VA is a cesspool from personal experience, but I only see egregious situations. I'd largely defer to the preferences of veterans who actually use VA services. While to me some move toward privatization makes sense, I know vets who are Choice eligible and refuse to go that route. I think that would be extinguished in time (I think among some vets there is some pride/loyalty connection to the VA), but I would need to get a much bigger sampling before I stake out a claim.
When you're one person (me) arguing against several, people sometimes come in to an existing back and forth and pick up a response as though it is some original point I was trying to make (here, the idea that Democrats are obligated to compromise). To reframe, someone mentioned that Trump refused to deal because he didn't get the wall, and I responded I thought it was odd he would be expected to drop arguably his top campaign promise in a deal that gave a huge priority (DACA) to the left.
Republicans were obstructionist of Obama, and I can't really blame the left for doing the same to Trump if they so elect. I mean, I can blame in them in a political sense, just like liberals did to the GOP, but I don't necessarily think they're committing some moral folly or something by going that route. They know it's probably a political gamble so they'll have to make that call.
As for the immigration level, I think there were a few metrics in there with Gallup just being one. I linked the NPR piece intentionally because it's a left-leaning entity concluding that the trend is for less immigration, but with explanations on the various polling they use to conclude that (and the interesting differences resulting from how questions are posed, of course).
The FBI in general leans heavily conservative
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